Looks like a bellanca. Anyone?

Yeah, it's a 1972/73 Bellanca Citabria. Unless I missed it, I didn't notice any parachutes, a requirement for aerobatics. While a lot of rules are bent in Alaska, that's not a good rule to bend.

Cary

Cary, I noticed that as well and was going to post on the Youtube page...but I decided not to so I wouldnt get anyone in trouble.

Hay, Thanks for finding Jeremy, That's what flyin is about!!
Someone enjoyin takin someone else and sharin the feeling!!
THere will be few who will be critical of this!!
Can't wait to hear all that's wrong with the flight from all the Hand Wringers!!
Pilot and Passenger both had a good day

That did'nt take long!!
I know quite a few who break this rule about every time they go up!!



c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds—

(1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or (stall-spin) (By yourself or with a passenger if not with a CFI)

(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon. (stall-spin-slip-ag turn-canyon turn-Zoom over trees at end of runway onshort strip?) (By yourself or with a passenger if not with a CFI)


(d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to—

(1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or

(2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any certificate or rating when given by—

(i) A certificated flight instructor; or

(ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance with §61.67 of this chapter.

M6RV6 wrote:c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds—

(1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or (stall-spin) (By yourself or with a passenger if not with a CFI)

(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon. (stall-spin-slip-ag turn-canyon turn-Zoom over trees at end of runway onshort strip?) (By yourself or with a passenger if not with a CFI)

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Sheez, I can't believe you overlooked the next section:

d) No running with scissors

When I was flying acro I saw too many wood spar airplanes have the plywood on the nose of the wing come detached from wear. I can't remember if the Citabria/Decathlon have the wood nose, or if they are all fabric on the front of the wing. I'd be especially nervous if I didn't know what kind of maintenance the plane was getting. A clean loop doesn't put a whole lot of stress on a wing, but a blown loop sure as hell will. I wouldn't fly acro in a wood spar plane without a chute. Besides, a properly designed chute (like the softie) can make older seats a lot more comfortable.

My Citabria, 76, have an aluminium leading edge wrapped in fabric. Only wood are the spars themselves.

I really hated to be the first wet blanket type on this thread, but aerobatics isn't something to fool with--either learn how to do it right, in an airplane that is properly maintained for that purpose and wearing the obligatory chutes, or don't do it. Like FH says, a loop properly done puts very little stress on the airplane, but a loop improperly done can result in enormous stress, not to mention the potential for an inverted stall and total loss of control. My basic aerobatics course 30 years ago was a lot of fun, but one of the things I learned was that botching aerobatic maneuvers is a good way to die.

In my view, a properly executed canyon turn will not result in a pitch up or down exceeding 30 degrees, nor will it involve a bank greater than 60 degrees, nor will a "zoom up" over trees, stalls, ag turns, etc. If you want to do those in such a way that those parameters are exceeded on your own without passengers, go ahead--but it's really unlikely that you'll exceed 30 degrees of pitch--that's a lot more than most people realize. Today's pilots have a hard time maintaining a decent 60 degree banked turn, since the FAA concluded that a 45 degree bank qualified as a steep turn, so that's unlikely as well.

But in any event, good pilots don't risk the lives of others, playing with aerobatics or doing dumb things. For certain, good pilots don't take up a total neophyte who has never even been in a small airplane and do a loop.

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive to this sort of shenanigans. A little over 65 years ago while flying with the Wyoming Air National Guard, my Dad was killed when his instructor in another airplane told him to "follow him through" an aileron roll in a P-51, the airplane stalled inverted, fell into a spin, and because the maneuver was at 12,000' MSL, slightly less than 6000' AGL, my Dad did not have sufficient space to recover from the spin (a P-51 takes approximately 2 1/2 turns with full anti-spin controls to stop the turn, and loses roughly 2,500' per turn). AAC requirements were that any training aerobatics in a P-51 had to be above a hard deck of 20,000' MSL, which would have given him almost 14,000' to recover had the rules been followed. I won't go into any more detail about what it means to lose a Daddy at age 4 1/2, but because of that, I believe in following the rules.

Cary

I must be a terrible pilot. I have taken more then a couple people that have never been in small planes for aerobatic flights. They were briefed and excited. And if they didn't want acro then I dont do it most love it, even if they throw up after. To make assertions that doing acro with new passengers makes you a bad pilot isn't a good idea me thinks. Also, in Canada, chutes aren't required for acro.
I guess us Canucks are dumb and crazy!

How often do we hear "Small single engine aerobatic aircraft breaks up in flight. Luckily, the pilot was wearing a chute."????

Sorry about your Pop, Cary. I cannot imagine.

"It doesn't have an alternator the cylinders make there own spark" ?! Forget acrobatics I'd want a chute if he is doing the matenence!

it is a +5/-2 g plane, they are pretty tough. That year had wood main spar only as I remember, could be wrong.

I was going to go about this, but have changed my mind!! I will just keep my mouth shut and let everyone have there say about what OTHERS should do??

Add me to the list of VERRRRRRRRRRRY BAD pilots!!

Cary, I to am sorry about the loss of your father, I know it was rough on me and I was 58 years old, I did watch him fly into a hillside with his Maule when I was 17 tho and that was pretty tough, only good thing about it was he pulled through and lived 40 years more. Flew for about 30 of those.

I was lucky also that he taught me how to fly out of a little short farm strip of 800' with a fence and a powerline on the approach end, It was always over the fence and under the powerline! He also landed in feilds, on skid trails on the mountain sides where he happend to be logging, on the county road if he needed to.

Might be why my thoughts on the subject differ so much from those that think you have to stay between the lines at all times?? Those between the line thoughts are great for those who stay there, but please don't eshew those who choose not to.

Enjoy the flight.

1972 7GCBC, longer wing, flaps. Mine's got spades, still real sloooow to roll, pitch it up 20 degrees or so before you start. Loops ok, let it "float" over the top. To be honest, after 2000 hrs of Pitts, Extra and Sukhoi time, the last thing I want to do with a Citabria is aerobatics. A shorter wing GCAA without flaps rolls a little quicker, a Decathlon even better yet.

I've never worn a parachute in a Citabria/Decathlon - not required in Canada as A1Skinner already said. Required for IAC contests. A roll isn't going to see more than 2 1/2 G, a loop maybe 3 1/2, if you do them right. Easy to do them wrong. I like a wood spar better than metal for aerobatics - no fatigue memory.

Had a wood spar 115hp no-flap Citabria once SHRRRIIIIIEEEEEEEKKKK at me coming out the bottom of a loop. Sound I've never heard an airplane make before and it was just a standard loop. (huff and puff to try and get over the top with the baby motor though) Made the hair stand up on the back of your neck and I've looked askance at wood spars ever since!

M6RV6 wrote:


c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds—

.

The way I read it is:
If you are alone you are not required to have a parachute.
If you are carrying a regular passenger Both pilot and passenger are required to have a parachute.
If your passenger is a crewmember then neither one has to have a parachute.

SE6601KF wrote:

M6RV6 wrote:


c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds—

.

The way I read it is:
If you are alone you are not required to have a parachute.
If you are carrying a regular passenger Both pilot and passenger are required to have a parachute.
If your passenger is a crewmember then neither one has to have a parachute.

Trent, Thanks
I like the way you think!!

ccurrie wrote:"It doesn't have an alternator the cylinders make there own spark" ?! Forget acrobatics I'd want a chute if he is doing the matenence!

Hahaha...I laughed at that too.

BRD wrote:Had a wood spar 115hp no-flap Citabria once SHRRRIIIIIEEEEEEEKKKK at me coming out the bottom of a loop.

Shit, that's the sound I usually make when I try a loop in an airplane...

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