Mapleflt wrote:

All cleaned up and ready to go

Great choice. That will look wonderful when you peek under the cowl. Easier to inspect too.

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:Is ground adjustable legal for owner maintenance?

Yes. The rule specifies "in flight adjustable" for what is not allowed. So depending how loosely you want to read that, having an electric adjustable prop that is placarded for "ground use only" could technically be legal.

That’s treading to close to the rules for my liking, I’m not interested in poking the “regulatory” bear.

Mapleflt wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:Is ground adjustable legal for owner maintenance?

Yes. The rule specifies "in flight adjustable" for what is not allowed. So depending how loosely you want to read that, having an electric adjustable prop that is placarded for "ground use only" could technically be legal.

That’s treading to close to the rules for my liking, I’m not interested in poking the “regulatory” bear.

I agree.

A1Skinner wrote:

Mapleflt wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:Is ground adjustable legal for owner maintenance?

Yes. The rule specifies "in flight adjustable" for what is not allowed. So depending how loosely you want to read that, having an electric adjustable prop that is placarded for "ground use only" could technically be legal.

That’s treading to close to the rules for my liking, I’m not interested in poking the “regulatory” bear.

I agree.

That's the primary reason I have penetration wheel skis; no moving parts, given the OM requirement for "fixed gear". I've heard some try to argue that the gear is "fixed" it's the ski that's "moving" not the gear leg or wheels !!

Mapleflt wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Mapleflt wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:[quote="Pinecone"]Is ground adjustable legal for owner maintenance?

Yes. The rule specifies "in flight adjustable" for what is not allowed. So depending how loosely you want to read that, having an electric adjustable prop that is placarded for "ground use only" could technically be legal.

That’s treading to close to the rules for my liking, I’m not interested in poking the “regulatory” bear.

I agree.

That's the primary reason I have penetration wheel skis; no moving parts, given the OM requirement for "fixed gear". I've heard some try to argue that the gear is "fixed" it's the ski that's "moving" not the gear leg or wheels !![/quote]I've never heard of a ski equipped aircraft being labeled retractable because of moving skis.
Sometimes there's as much tendency to over complicated rules as there is to break rules...

Mapleflt wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:Is ground adjustable legal for owner maintenance?

Yes. The rule specifies "in flight adjustable" for what is not allowed. So depending how loosely you want to read that, having an electric adjustable prop that is placarded for "ground use only" could technically be legal.

That’s treading to close to the rules for my liking, I’m not interested in poking the “regulatory” bear.

I agree with Maplelift... The LSA rules specifically state "...since its original certification, has continued to meet the following:" and then lists a bunch of conditions. Among those conditions are:
(7) A fixed or ground-adjustable propeller if a powered aircraft other than a powered glider.
(8) A fixed or feathering propeller system if a powered glider.

An electric adjustable prop MIGHT be OK, if there was no prop pitch controller installed in the cockpit, but I think that would be REALLY pushing the envelope. I asked my local DAR (an EAA buddy), and he said he would not sign it off as airworthy - you'd have to get a FSDO inspector to do so. (And he added "Good luck with that!")

JP256 wrote:

Mapleflt wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:Is ground adjustable legal for owner maintenance?

Yes. The rule specifies "in flight adjustable" for what is not allowed. So depending how loosely you want to read that, having an electric adjustable prop that is placarded for "ground use only" could technically be legal.

That’s treading to close to the rules for my liking, I’m not interested in poking the “regulatory” bear.

I agree with Maplelift... The LSA rules specifically state "...since its original certification, has continued to meet the following:" and then lists a bunch of conditions. Among those conditions are:
(7) A fixed or ground-adjustable propeller if a powered aircraft other than a powered glider.
(8) A fixed or feathering propeller system if a powered glider.

An electric adjustable prop MIGHT be OK, if there was no prop pitch controller installed in the cockpit, but I think that would be REALLY pushing the envelope. I asked my local DAR (an EAA buddy), and he said he would not sign it off as airworthy - you'd have to get a FSDO inspector to do so. (And he added "Good luck with that!")

Up here with the OM it is a lot different then the LSA class down there. They have rules but it's amazing what they let go. For example, the HP limit is 200hp, yet I know of multiple OM A/C with 0-470s rated at 230hp flying around, with a letter allowing it. At the end of the day it never hurts to send a letter asking, any major things like engine swaps require Minister approval anyways.

I expect both our respective regulatory agencies suffer from "variances" across their respective regions and there in lies the issues, you just never know what to expect.

"Up here with the OM it is a lot different then the LSA class down there. They have rules but it's amazing what they let go. For example, the HP limit is 200hp, yet I know of multiple OM A/C with 0-470s rated at 230hp flying around, with a letter allowing it. At the end of the day it never hurts to send a letter asking, any major things like engine swaps require Minister approval anyways."

Given the propensity for randomized interpretation I've been staying as close the the "printed word" as I can. When it's ambiguous I seek permission rather than forgiveness.

Mapleflt wrote:I expect both our respective regulatory agencies suffer from "variances" across their respective regions and there in lies the issues, you just never know what to expect.

"Up here with the OM it is a lot different then the LSA class down there. They have rules but it's amazing what they let go. For example, the HP limit is 200hp, yet I know of multiple OM A/C with 0-470s rated at 230hp flying around, with a letter allowing it. At the end of the day it never hurts to send a letter asking, any major things like engine swaps require Minister approval anyways."

Given the propensity for randomized interpretation I've been staying as close the the "printed word" as I can. When it's ambiguous I seek permission rather than forgiveness.

Hence my suggestion to ask. Especially since you have to ask about the engine swap anyways.

Yup, the engine swap is good to go but since the OAT has been well above 0c for a few months now the though of wheel skis never even entered into the discussion

However with the extra HP under the hood maybe I should ask about amphibs

Mapleflt wrote:Yup, the engine swap is good to go but since the OAT has been well above 0c for a few months now the though of wheel skis never even entered into the discussion

However with the extra HP under the hood maybe I should ask about amphibs [emoji38]

I would be very surprised if they say that hydraulic wheel skis classify as retractable gear. That would be a stretch of definitions on their part...

I'm being told that a good spot for this is.........



here, does anyone agreed or disagree !!

Looks great! Really getting after it.

I now have an 0-300 door stop

Fantastic! That's a big milestone.

Well done, you are going to love it. is your new panel in? I found the panel was more work than in front of the firewall, and I did not change that much.

daedaluscan wrote:Well done, you are going to love it. is your new panel in? I found the panel was more work than in front of the firewall, and I did not change that much.

I took a break from the panel to get the engine hung and yes the instrument panel is turning into a lot more work that I had anticipated.

Look Mom, no blisters



Yes, it's all in there.

I painted my blisters