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L19 Bird dog STC

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Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:11 pm

L19 Bird dog STC

New member here with an l19 birddog! I was seeing if anyone knew of any STC's out there for VGs or a stol kit either the horton or sportsman. I found the stc for the bushwheels just looking for any other ones. thanks for any help in advance!!
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:22 pm

Re: l19 Bird dog STC

Sorry if this comes across as a bit obtuse but they where one of the "original" STOL planes, does it really need a STOL kit, VG's I understand for improved roll control. When I was much younger I towed sailplanes with an L19, heck sometimes I was almost airborne before some of the "heavy" water ballasted open class sailplanes.
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:48 pm

Re: l19 Bird dog STC

I've seen a l-19 with a big engine, vg's, bushwheels, bush seats, etc. I believe it's called an Ector super mountaineer. Quite the performer but I don't have any other info unfortunately.

Best of luck and enjoy the l-19!
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:53 pm

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I briefly owned one that came with a Bush STOL. I understand Bush had common ancestry with Horton.
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:43 pm

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Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:50 pm

Re: L19 Bird dog STC

I’ve never seen a bird dog with that setup. What are we looking at? It looks like a small caliber automatic and a rocket, maybe? Was the right side a mirror image?
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:30 pm

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Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:03 pm

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Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:36 pm

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Noyes Enterprises has or has access to the stc for a bush STOL kit. They will also bolt a O-540 on it and a 180 style tail if you shower them in money.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:02 am

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There's a guy I met in Camarillo who has a Birddog with a Ponk o520 and a mac 401. I'll steer him here and see if he has any input. When I last chatted with him he was trying to put it on amphibs.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:10 am

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dogpilot wrote:Personally, I've owned two L19's a D and an G model. Its ability to get on and off really short was not the issue. Its STOL performance was more a factor of pilot skill. It could have used a slightly larger rudder and a later model 470, with a decent variable pitch prop. Not a lot of options with the motor it came with, but there where 470's that could bolt on without any mods that would accept a variety of props that would really have made it perform a lot better. The Marines solved the rudder with their unique version of the L19, but they then ruined it with a POS supercharged engine that had a lifespan shorter than a shrew.

I, personally, would not be a big fan of slapping stuff on the outside of an L19. Its value is simply being stock as possible to the low budget warbird clan. Airshows with a bunch of Dogs, would lead to some interesting parties, they are an interesting group. BTW, it is where my "Dogpilot" handle comes from. I had one on and off for around 18 years. Mine had some teeth.

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:04 am

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AEROPOD wrote:There's a guy I met in Camarillo who has a Birddog with a Ponk o520 and a mac 401. I'll steer him here and see if he has any input. When I last chatted with him he was trying to put it on amphibs.


I’ve seen this plane at HSF before, here it is in 2016. It’s one nice looking Bird Dog!

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:53 am

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robw56 wrote:
AEROPOD wrote:There's a guy I met in Camarillo who has a Birddog with a Ponk o520 and a mac 401. I'll steer him here and see if he has any input. When I last chatted with him he was trying to put it on amphibs.


I’ve seen this plane at HSF before, here it is in 2016. It’s one nice looking Bird Dog!

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That’s my old one. Glad to see it at HSF.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:00 pm

Re: L19 Bird dog STC

What made you trade the birddog for a 170?
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:07 pm

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Hammer wrote:What made you trade the birddog for a 170?

Catch me around a campfire sometime :wink:
It wasn't a trade though- I already owned the 170 at the time.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:23 pm

Re: L19 Bird dog STC

I would not consider installing a Horton kit on my L-19 or any other Cessna for that matter, I would however, consider a Sportsman kit on my L-19 if approved and I owned one but more than likely I would leave it stock.

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:55 pm

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Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:30 am

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G44 wrote:...more than likely I would leave it stock.....


Me too. The Birddog's kind of an under-appreciated classic IMHO.
The one I'd want would be an OD green workhorse,
and a few bullet holes & some patches wouldn't bother me none.
The one exception to standard configuration might be a later model 470 engine,
since I don't believe the 470-11 & -13 (or is it -15?) engines are supported very well these days.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:07 pm

Re: L19 Bird dog STC

I've often thought that if I could afford a second airplane, it would be an L19. I have probably spent more time looking at them at OSH than any other specific airplane.

Several years ago at one of the Marble, CO, fly-ins, there were 3 of them, I think from Oklahoma. Somewhere in my disorganized photo files, I have a picture of them doing a fly over the airstrip in formation, blowing smoke.

One of the better aviation books I've read is by Jim Hooper, "A Hundred Feet Over Hell", about the 220th Recon pilots in Viet Nam, the "Catkillers", who were flying L19s.

Neat little airplane.

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Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:52 am

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Me too. The Birddog's kind of an under-appreciated classic IMHO.
The one I'd want would be an OD green workhorse,
and a few bullet holes & some patches wouldn't bother me none.
The one exception to standard configuration might be a later model 470 engine,
since I don't believe the 470-11 & -13 (or is it -15?) engines are supported very well these days.
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