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Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

I’ve identified a problem with my flying and I’d like to hear some opinions on how to fix it.

I’m losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown. This was my biggest challenge learning to land on wheels and now I’m experiencing the same problem on floats. My approach to the flare is completely comfortable and competent but somewhere in the transition from flare to touchdown I’m getting lost and I’m not fully “in the moment”. I know to raise the nose, hold the attitude and add a bit of power to compensate for sink but I only seem to be able to concentrate on one of those things in the moment when all components need to be working together. This isn’t an issue when everything unfolds according to plan, touchdown is smooth and I feel safe and competent but if I sink a little fast or have to compensate for a puff of wind I really wrestle with being smooth. Athletes sometimes talk about the world slowing down in moments of high achievement but I feel the opposite— things feel like they are speeding up and my poor 52 year old brain isn’t keeping up.

To be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever fully mastered the art of greasing it in on wheels either. My flare has gotten much better so my results are smoother, but I’m really struggling to synchronize attitude, power and sink rate while pointing straight down the runway.

I remember a similar feeling of losing the plot when I first learned to dock a 50 foot twin screw boat but that went away and never came back after a few repetitions. I’m still pretty green but after 160 hours I would have thought this problem would be a thing of the past.

I've got a great guy giving me float instruction and I'm learning a ton but he is the first to admit he isn't an instructor and he isn't sure how to fix my issue. Any advice appreciated.

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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Uhhh, why are you using a "great guy" who isn't an instructor??? That's almost a guaranteed way of not correcting problems.

FWIW, here's a little tome I prepared years ago, which was of course designed for students in land airplanes. But with a little tweaking, it would work for floats, too--mostly tweaked to do a soft field, power on landing, which is largely what most landings on floats are. Get good at that on land, and you'll find your landings on floats will be as good. But you still need an instructor, not just a good pilot, to help you get things right--you can't just read about it. There are so many other things you must learn, besides how to land, to be a good seaplane pilot.

How to land an airplane. Sometimes I think, “stop me if I’ve told you this before”, because I’ve written so many times about how to land—or how to solve landing problems. But here we go again. If you and I were to ride together, this is how I’d tell you to do it.

First, you need to have good control of your approach speed. Your approach speed on final should be 1.3 Vso—and Vso means the stall speed in the landing configuration at the aircraft’s current weight. So if it’s just you, or just you and one other, the airplane is probably well under gross weight—Vso will be lower than what the POH says. So if on this landing you’re using full flaps, and on the next one you use only 10 degrees, then adjust your approach speed accordingly. Since you don’t have any power to work with, that means adjusting the pitch. That also means that if you are following the approach speed recommendations in a late model POH, you need to use the slowest recommended approach speed. If the POH says 60-70 knots, use 60, for instance. But why not use the Vso and calculate from there?

Here you’re asking, why not a faster speed than 1.3 Vso? Simple—your landings will be better if you use 1.3 Vso. Trust me—it’s true.

You’re also wondering why we’re not talking about the whole pattern. Well, if you slow down on downwind and more on base so that you’re at 1.3 Vso on final, or if you enter the pattern on base and slow down so that you’re at 1.3 Vso on final, or if you do a straight-in approach so that you’re at 1.3 Vso on final, it really doesn’t matter. What is important is that you’re at 1.3 Vso on final.

Next, you need to know the sight picture for the flare. Here’s how to determine what it should be. On a normal take off, you raise the nose when the airplane is ready to fly. Memorize that, because that’s the sight picture you’ll want when you flare to land, not higher, not lower, but that same sight picture.

So now we’ll divide your landings into 3 parts: approach, leveling off, and landing flare.

So you’re on final approach, using whatever flaps you want to use for this landing, and you’re using 1.3 Vso. Trim for that speed!!!!! Trimming for the approach is as important as trimming for other aspects of flying. If you don’t trim properly, you are an interested passenger, not a pilot. No excuses—you must trim!

When you get within 10-15 feet of the runway surface, level off. Don’t raise the nose, level it, just like when you were flying in the pattern on downwind. Then wait. Don’t get anxious to do anything else—wait! (Here’s a tip on how to determine that 10-15 foot altitude: as you approach the runway, it looks like a gradually widening trapezoid, but if your airspeed is at 1.3 Vso, just as you get to within 10-15 feet of the surface, the runway will appear to suddenly widen exponentially—that’s when you should level off.)

Meanwhile, look toward the end of the runway—it makes it easier than if you look closer to the airplane. That doesn’t mean look all the way to the end of a 10,000’ runway, just toward the end as opposed to looking near the airplane.

Soon the airplane will start to settle naturally, because without any power added, that’s what it does. When it starts to settle, raise the nose to that same sight picture that you had on take off. The airplane will slow more, continue to settle, and voila!, you’ll touch down!

You’re not finished. Continue to hold the nose up by gradually pulling the yoke/stick back as the airplane slows, and then gently lower it to the runway. Maintain directional control with the rudder pedals, and let the airplane slow, maybe with a little braking. But don’t get anxious to do much of anything else, because this is landing, not touch and goes, not “how quickly can I get the flaps up”, or “how soon I can take off the carburetor heat”.

As you become more proficient, you’ll meld the 3 steps into a continuous sort of action, but until then, consciously dividing it into 3 parts will make your landings so much better. Now go land!


Now, go try this in a land airplane. Then get yourself a decent seaplane instructor, and do it in a seaplane.

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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

A floats guy once helped me earlier in my flying career with a bit of advice that we then practiced on a 7,000 ft runway with my plane, to get smoother touchdowns on concrete.

The basic premise - as you're landing, don't change any setting (pitch or power, staying coordinated/on centerline is always needed, this is about performance settings) until you've counted 6 seconds from the previous change.

I'd never thought of trying to set up for glassy landings float plane style on the runway, but it was a great way to learn - and by doing it on a long runway, we set up a 100fpm descent, and totally greased it on. I learned within inches instead of feet just when the wheels would touch and got used to how my plane flew in ground effect.

As we were coming in to land, we'd start out aiming a little further into the runway than usual. That way, a little extra sink or lift was no big deal - we were aiming 1k ft into a 5k+ ft runway with a plane that lands in 500 feet. Pretty much does away with round out and flare, so that's one way to reduce variables.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Cary,

I've incorporated many of your techniques into my flying since reading your tips while studying for my PPL but a few key pieces don't translate to flying on floats. The biggest difference is the need for power to arrest sink during the flare. With the heavy floats the plane can drop quite quickly and floats offer no suspension whatsoever, so a soft (safe) landing often requires power.

Notwithstanding the fact that there isn't a CFI/Float instructor within easy driving distance of my plane, I believe I am getting the best instruction available to me. He is a high time float pilot (ex A340 captain too) and he has really helped me figure out the plane and float config (PPonk '63 182 w/ Sportsman STOL and WIng-X over EDO 2790s). I can't fault the guy for not knowing how to compensate for my lack of mental quickness when the heat is on, I'm just hoping there is an instructor on here with a tip or two.

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evanr42 wrote:A floats guy once helped me earlier in my flying career with a bit of advice that we then practiced on a 7,000 ft runway with my plane, to get smoother touchdowns on concrete.

The basic premise - as you're landing, don't change any setting (pitch or power, staying coordinated/on centerline is always needed, this is about performance settings) until you've counted 6 seconds from the previous change.

I'd never thought of trying to set up for glassy landings float plane style on the runway, but it was a great way to learn - and by doing it on a long runway, we set up a 100fpm descent, and totally greased it on. I learned within inches instead of feet just when the wheels would touch and got used to how my plane flew in ground effect.

As we were coming in to land, we'd start out aiming a little further into the runway than usual. That way, a little extra sink or lift was no big deal - we were aiming 1k ft into a 5k+ ft runway with a plane that lands in 500 feet. Pretty much does away with round out and flare, so that's one way to reduce variables.


Thanks, that makes sense. We haven't done glassy water landings yet but I think I will find them smoother than my spot landings. We did a couple power off landings to simulate engine failure and I did quite well with fewer variables at play. Adding power seems to be the issue that vexes my old brain. I start thinking about the right amount of power to offset the amount of sink and while i'm muddling through that equation I get behind the plane and I'm surprised by the splashing sound of touch down.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Cary wrote:
Now, go try this in a land airplane. Then get yourself a decent seaplane instructor, and do it in a seaplane.

Cary


I second this.

You could really be setting yourself up for some issues later on if you're reinforcing skills and techniques that are incorrect. It could be something real simple like you're not looking far enough out or you're not trimming enough (or at all). A good, experienced instructor will be able to spot those deficiencies, correct them, and then reinforce them.

I'm sure your friend is really trying to help, but you should have him fly with you somewhere where you can get some dual. When you get the hang of it, you can get a solo and/or solo XC endorsement so you practice on your own and take yourself to the CFI. Between this site, and the SPA, I'm sure there is someone near you who can recommend a quality CFI.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Allan,

I won't get a chance to fly with him until our cooperative mountain flying seminar/clinic in Grande Prairie Alberta October 6, but I am impressed by Bruce Washtock's longer clinic outline. He is in Vancouver.

I understand where Cary is coming from and what Evan described works as well. I am certified but fail to toe the standardized program as Cary does so well.

I don't like the area of unknown that you described. Cary is right on pointing out the need to have speed under some control before we close throttle and wait for the airplane to stop flying. Using power all the way down requires even more need to have speed under control. We can add or reduce power continuously to find to completely control descent as we enter ground effect. Don't worry about just right. Play with it to make what you want happen when you want. We need to practice engine out as well, but the rest of the time there is a better way, or at least easier.

Hang in there,

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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Jim,
I've been communicating with Butch Washtock a bunch lately. I was hoping he could teach floats but that is pretty much the only thing he doesn't teach. As soon as I'm signed off on amphibs my wife and I will both be doing his mountain flying course. I've heard he is the real deal but I've learned enough to know it isn't so much the ability and experience of the instructor, it is his/her ability to TEACH that knowledge as paired with the students ability to ABSORB that info.

Talking to him, he seems like he teaches your style of flying. I can't wait to fly with him.

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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Conformance with approved theory can limit teaching various techniques that may work as well or better but haven't been investigated by authority. Wandering away from standardized procedural track and altitude is very dangerous in the instrument environment. But constricting contact flying techniques can leave more efficient and even safer stuff untaught. Giving every move a number can get mechanical and leave stick and rudder artistry behind.

Dynamic proactive control movement seems and looks dangerous but can enable us to learn faster and be more artistic.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Learning to rely on my peripheral vision from 20 ft off the ground to touchdown helps keep me straight and coordinated. Flying in the back seat of a Cub or an ag plane, this technique is the only way I can consistently hit my landing spot.
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I sneak glances out the lower left side of the windshield when I’m in that zone.

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CenterHillAg wrote:Learning to rely on my peripheral vision from 20 ft off the ground to touchdown helps keep me straight and coordinated. Flying in the back seat of a Cub or an ag plane, this technique is the only way I can consistently hit my landing spot.


This. Better said than mine.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

Hover taxi practice allows lots of speed control and hover height precision. Hitting the spot becomes a simple matter of regarding the throttle a bit.

Back to Allen's soft touchdown, reduce throttle slowly while increasing pitch. It is very easy from one foot up in low ground effect.

Birds always add power to touch down slowly and softly.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

It's mostly time in the saddle that eventually helps. But let me ask you this...are you someone who can see, hear, and observe others then attempt the same with instructor reinforcement? Sometimes it helps to let an experienced pilot you trust and knows demonstrate the maneuver and talk through what they're doing and why. In the meanwhile you sit there (like a fly on the wall) and use the relaxation method to take it all in. Some is motor or muscle skills some is hearing some is visual perspective and all are constantly changing.

When I started instruction it was with a Vietnam Veteran who flew forward air controller aircraft. When I hit the usual learning firewall he'd demo the maneuver then let me practice what he did. That plus a why he did what he did helped work me through the process.

Ultimately it's yours to master but help can be important. And sometimes simply doing nothing at certain stages of flight is more important than action.

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I also have issues with landing. 500 hours in my agwagon and I could wheel land and wheel taxi. I was told I was really good. Now many years later I am dropping my C170 onto the strip, floating and just generally flopping around. After about 100 hours the skill has not returned.
I think weight has something to do with it , flaps ,power and attitude changes are not getting me there.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

I'm not a CFI so self teaching is often required. One thing that may help is to allow all the senses to work when landing. Sight picture, hearing changes in airspeed reflected in the airframe and engine, sense of movement like vertical acceleration and deceleration, things like that. Today we tend to isolate ourselves from the airplane with an intent focus on great panel displays, audio muting and noise cancelling, and not paying attention or recognizing the descent profile with our inner ear or kinesthetic sensations from our body (like an elevator ride offers). Try flying sometime without all the electronic displays and gadgets. You might be amazed again how the airplane can communicate.

Another suggestion is to go and have lunch in your plane when parked. Just sit and enjoy the scenery without moving . Note and form a mental image of what the world ahead looks like. That's what the runway looks like when we land 3-point, eh? We spent too little time recognizing and memorizing that picture in the course of flight. If wheel landings are a problem raise the tail on a platform and have dessert while taking in the view. Remember what you see.

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evanr42 wrote:We haven't done glassy water landings yet but I think I will find them smoother than my spot landings. We did a couple power off landings to simulate engine failure and I did quite well with fewer variables at play. Adding power seems to be the issue that vexes my old brain. I start thinking about the right amount of power to offset the amount of sink and while i'm muddling through that equation I get behind the plane and I'm surprised by the splashing sound of touch down.


When I was having trouble landing softly, I was also focused intently on spot landings. I was getting geared up to fly in the mountains, and thought I had to really hit a spot - and figured that meant it would always be firm. After I did a bit of mountain flying with Contact Flying, and with Lori MacNichol in Idaho, I started to see how I could have a steep descent, truly arrest it, and then just nurse off the last bit of power to touch softly -and I'd still hit the spot.

Thinking about hovering, just 5" up, and then deciding to land, was critical. Try those glassy water landings on a day that isn't glassy, instead of spending time with the combo of power and flare, and see how it helps. YMMV, but the experience was oddly game changing for me - a simple difference in approach that helped that last element of landing technique really click.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

A question for the OP: If you can’t find a CFI to fly with now, how do you plan to get certified and legal to fly that plane? Also, have you considered the ramifications of an accident, even one that’s caused by a mechanical, not a pilot? Insurance isn’t going to be happy.

It’s an amphib, so presumably you’re current and legal to fly it on wheels. Assuming you’ve kinda figured that out, find a good float CFI somewhere, fly there on wheels, and learn to fly the thing.

On the other hand, in your initial discussion, are you talking about landings on wheels or on floats? Very different evolutions.

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I'm too old and senile to even think about it but if I were younger and healthy and wanted to fly float planes, I would look up MTV.
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Re: Losing situational awareness between flare and touchdown

I'm no expert, but I've experienced what you're talking about. If some real expert comes along (and there are many here), ignore me.

Two thoughts:
1) Spot landings might get easier once you've done a bunch of glassy water landings. Glassy water is all about establishing an attitude and keeping it there. When you learn to do that right, you'll know what you're looking for out the window. For a spot landing, you're looking for more or less the same thing, it just happens faster.

2) My 185 landings (on wheels) got a lot better after I watched a couple dozen YouTube videos of people landing Skywagons. Seeing the sight picture in someone else's video and duplicating it in my airplane was a big help. Then I stuck a GoPro on my tailwheel and videoed my own landings. It turned out that my mistakes were entirely different from what I'd thought they were.

As a green seaplane pilot and new 185 owner, I can relate to the instructor problem. If there isn't one, there isn't one. Just fly with whoever can keep you safe while you make your own mistakes. But like I said, YouTube can be enormously helpful
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