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My Kit

While not directly aviation-related, survival and basic wilderness skills, sometimes called "bush craft" are an important part of flying the remote backcountry.
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I am a lower time pilot flying in southern Idaho. I will begin some backcountry training this spring - my personal goal from that is easier backcountry strips to camp at with wife and kid.
I do cross mountainous areas and always carried some basic survival supplies. I recently saw a good FlightChops YouTube video about wilderness survival. It motivated me to make a larger and better kit. I got a couple good tips like adding work gloves and a small saw.

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I am soliciting opinions on my kit.

It is in a Pelican Air 1485 case. These are semi-new and lighter than traditional cases. I originally had a larger case but found it too large and becoming too heavy. This one fits nicely in the luggage area of 172. I also ordered it with the customizable foam. However I found that takes a lot of room away and I didn't end up using it. Everything in the kit is pretty tight and secure without the foam.

Of course if I knew the environment I would crash in and the time of year I would tailor the kit for that. Since I didn't, I tried to balance it for year round. When I am flying over particularly mountainous terrain, I usually will take the SPOT out and put it on my belt. Also, I rent so i can’t leave my kit in the plane.

Here is the alphabetical master list with weight of each item in grams. Total weight of the kit is 14lbs.

*weight in grams

The only thing not on this list is stuff in my flight bag like my handheld transceiver. I carry additional water there in the summer (or clothes in the winter). I also need to add a small survival book to it. I am going to take it out to the field one of these days/nights and try it out and I am also looking for some survival training. I will work on building a survival vest this spring

I am soliciting opinions on my kit. It is pretty full so if I need to add something I would have to adjust that from somewhere else.

Thanks everyone, Great site!

MASTER LIST
* Balaclava 60
* Bug spray 26
* Batteries (8 AA) 128
* Carabiner 23
* Case 2264
* Compass / Thermometer 14
* Cook pot 83
* Duct tape 18
* Fire Kit (lighter, candle, kindling, razor, case, magnesium block) 173
* First Aid kit 103 (+ Israeli Bandage 90, Tourniquet 68, Clot sponge 60) 351
* Flashlight. (2AA) 43
* Food (3 packs - 1380 calories) 403
* Folding saw 157
* Hand warmers (3) 141
* Knife 176
* Laser signal 69
* Life straw 24
* Mirror 21
* Mosquito net 23
* Multi tool. 67
* Nalgene bottle 176
* Pen. 9
* Rain ponchos (2) 110
* Rope (50 ft) 91
* Spoon 10
* SPOT (w/ case) 201
* Stove 127
* Stocking Cap 52
* Survival Blanket (small) 109
* Survival Blanket (large). 171
* Survival manual
* Sunscreen 32
* Water (smart water 33oz - 1034g) + (12oz. - 374g) : 1542
* Water tabs 32
* Whistle 8
* Work gloves 95
* Ziplock bags & Foil 36
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A wire saw looks like it could be lighter and perhaps more compact than the folding saw. I only used one once decades ago and it was impressive at cutting 4-inch branches. One I saw when googling alleges to only weigh 16 grams. No clue as to cutting effectiveness though...
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I'd lose the water. You have a life straw which is amazing. Also a Nalgene bottle. Get some iodine pills.

I'd also lose the food pack (maybe), if you're really concerned with the weight. You can survive a long time without food. Water, not so much. (Iodine and life straw....)




*all opinions are from a SERE graduate. If I remember tomorrow, I'll snap a picture of our (military) survival vest.
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Your best idea is to go out & spend a day/night with your gear. That'll tell you what's good/bad/needed.
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Great kit. I like the idea of having water in a survival kit in case you can't move well enough to forage for water. You probably have to survive 24-48 hours before rescue.

I have a Delorme InReach in my plane and a sat phone in my survival vest. I can survive longer if I know help is on the way.

Personally, I want at least three methods of starting a fire. Each should work individually but if I really, really, need a fire i want to be able to employ all three at once.

Some body insulation, like a down jacket, is really helpful too.
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This is my take, which is just that...my take. Please don't feel offended if any of it goes against what you're thinking. LOTS of folks don't agree with me on much of anything... :wink:

It's an interesting and capable assortment of things...lots of good stuff (love the work gloves!), some not so useful stuff (plastic poncho's, compass/thermometer, plastic whistle). I'd move some of it to a vest so you actually have access to it so long as you're alive, and swap out some of the other emergency-only, super-light-gear for more basic gear like a sleeping bag and pad.

Matches, a (good) knife and a PLB should be on your PERSON at all times while in a aircraft, not in the back compartment.

A SPOT IS NOT A PLB! If it's up on your dash pinging out your location, there's a very good chance it'll be nowhere near you after a crash. A PLB on your person is the single best thing you can do to summon help if you're hurt. In any sort of terrain, during any sort of weather, you can count on a three-day wait for rescue, and that's once the alarm gets received and people get mobilized. You might get help sooner, but you very well might not.

Also consider an aviation band transceiver, both as a second way to summon help, and as a way to communicate with the people trying to help you. The more information you can give, the better you (and they) will survive. If you're just in a busted up airplane but otherwise fine, the rescue ship deserves to know that. If you have a broken femur, they'll step up what they can do to extract you.

Try to find one that runs on AA batteries, then fill it up with lithium batteries and reverse or remove one of the cells so it can't power up accidentally. Throw away the antenna that came with it and get a proper one from Smiley Antenna. Remove and rubber-band the antenna to the side of the transceiver so it doesn't get kinked and damaged in the kit, and store the radio in two or three ziplock bags with a desiccant pack.

Sat phones are great if you have deep pockets or a roster of friends who can fly in to help you, but they're extremely expensive for "just in case". I earned my pilot license in 1995 and haven't had to call for help yet. If they had sat phones in 1995 and I kept one all these years I could about buy another airplane for the money I wasted on subscriptions. PLB's and radios have no subscription fees, so they're a lot more economical.

Purchase lithium batteries for anything that uses batteries. They're a lot lighter, have a much longer shelf life, and are less affected by cold than alkaline batteries.

I'd definitely keep the water and food. I'd add more water, in fact. There's absolutely no guarantee you'll end up somewhere where water is available, or you in any condition to hunt for it. I cary a MINIMUM of one gallon per person of emergency water, plus whatever water I'm planning on drinking during the trip. That's a lot of water, but I've run out of water before, and it made a powerful impression on me. Spend enough time without fluids and it'll cure you of any desire to pack light, ever.

Food is good! Freeze dried meals are great, but food you don't have to prepare is also good. I like nuts and chocolate for storage food.

You can survive a long time without food, but it's a HELL of a lot easier to make the right decision and stay the night somewhere rather than try to push bad weather if you aren't going to go hungry and sleep cold doing it. That's not an emergency, that's how you keep the emergency from happening. A lot of people don't realize that...weather is just another trap we fall into because we want something we don't have with us. Same with mechanical problems we know we should address before flying, low fuel levels (but hey, we've never run out of fuel before...), or a dozen other scenarios that should keep us on the ground, but don't. There's a lot less trap if you don't want what you haven't got with you.

Lots of genuine emergencies are directly the result of someone trying to get somewhere else rather than stay where they are. Make it easy to make the decision to stay put. If you're a smoker, put in a pack of tobacco. If you're a drinker, add a pint of something nice. If you're literate, put in a good book. Addicted to coffee...put some in the kit.

I have a sleeping bag and pad for every person on the aircraft, all the time. Also a down parka for every person. Ya...space blankets will help you survive moderate temperatures, but you wont like it. Even sleeping on the couch in a high-elevation airport shack in the summer is going to suck with just a space blanket. Most people who've slept cold one night will go to significant lengths to sleep warm the next...including possibly taking off when the weather says they should stay on the ground.

Taylor your kit to the seasons. More water in the summer and more clothes, thicker sleeping bag and a bigger pot in the winter. (You'll be hard pressed to melt enough snow to stay hydrated with that little cup, but good on you for having something.)

Loose the magnesium bar and put in a couple packs of lifeboat matches. Magnesium bars are a gimmick that work fine in a zero-wind environment, but any breeze will scatter the shavings. Life boat matches are both lighter, more reliable, and infinitely better fire starters. Disposable lighters are ok, but they can easily run out of gas while in the kit, they don't work when wet, and they have several moving parts. Don't trust them!

It's great you have a knife...but there are infinitely better knives to cary. Ditch that (gerber?) and pick up a proper woods knife.

Pelican cases are brilliant for cameras and electronics, but there's really nothing in your kit that requires that amount of protection. If you want to save weight, swap the Pelican case out for a backpack or dry bag.

The simplest test in the world is to go park somewhere for a couple nights and live out of your survival kit and what you're wearing. Do that, and your kit will change dramatically! You'll end up with a lot less ultralight gimmicky might-work-in-a-pinch gear, and a lot more basic day-to-day gear that's bulkier and heavier, but actually works.

P.S.: I love Gil...never get's a break.

Also, GREAT on you for putting together a emergency kit...it's more than most pilots ever do. Since you're interested in having something that works, check out the knowledge base section of this website, then taylor your kit to your environment and exposure.
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Hammer wrote:...
Lots of genuine emergencies are directly the result of someone trying to get somewhere else rather than stay where they are. Make it easy to make the decision to stay put. If you're a smoker, put in a pack of tobacco. If you're a drinker, add a pint of something nice. If you're literate, put in a good book. Addicted to coffee...put some in the kit.

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Thanks Hammer, your words help me to think of a survival kit as not so much for getting out of emergencies but for preventing them in the first place.
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I went through Hammer’s list checking off what I carry now after a few overnights: thermarest neo-air sleeping pad, a couple of miserable nights waking and constantly flipping over as the bottom side gets cold and you can’t spend enough on a good pad. Good sleeping bag. Small stove with pot, gallon of water, and freeze-dried food packs. Head lantern, hatchet. I don’t think of it as a survival kit, just common sense backcountry stuff you have in your plane.
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Are you saying that the Thermarest new air is a good choice?

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Yes, I liked the neoair https://www.rei.com/product/881576/therm-a-rest-neoair-xtherm-max-sleeping-pad.

Before that I tried the usual self-inflating mats and even some of the 2.5 lb low cots (they fold up the size of a water bottle) - they were ok, but probably better for hot nights than cold ones https://www.thermarest.com/cots/mesh-cot
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This is a great thread. The topic always generates a lot of opinions, and there is some fantastic dialogue so far. To add my own...

I have the Thermarest Neo, it's a nice air pad. You can lose some heat through it since it's filled with air, but a sleeping bag will help sort that out.

I agree that water is good to have. I've been in plenty of places where getting to water is a significant endeavor when I'm healthy and mobile, let alone broken and bleeding. Like Hammer I have run out in the backcountry under exertion, and that's after bringing 2 liters with me on my back. It sucked, and I knew where nearby water was (a mile more up the trail). A gallon of water weighs what, 7 pounds? Bring it. You aren't backpacking with it, it sits in a container in the back of the plane. Also bring some Nuun tablets; they are great for replacing electrolytes which you will use up. I am amazed at how much better I feel after taking them when backcountry hunting. The life straw is fantastic, but if you really need water then just drink whatever you can find. Most of the stuff you need to worry about with that won't manifest for weeks.

I second (third?) the notion about wearing a vest and keeping the basic essentials on you. Sparky Imeson is one of many examples of people who got out of the plane with whatever he had on him right before it burned to the ground. I carry a knife, fire, signal, and some other things in my vest and it's on me when I'm over bad places.

Secure the gear. A pack carried loose can become a heavy missile as you meet terra firma in an unusual manner. I like to put mine in a pack on the rear seat, but it's belted in. If the gear survives and I can get it out, then I have a lot of nice extras for my unplanned camping trip. If not, I should at least be able to cut my way out and make a fire for starters, and create some very uncomfortable but functional shelter.

Food isn't a bad thing to have. It too is light, and can even consist of some basic energy foods - Power bars, trail mix, etc. Freeze dried is also an option, but I would go for kinds that don't require hot water in case you can't make any. Some of the pastas can be eaten dry, likewise the granola cereals can be made dry or with cold water and are a great source of energy.

I don't see toilet paper and medications on your list. TP sounds silly, but remember that psychological trauma can be just as fatal as physical. It's been documented that simple comforts go a long way towards helping calm yourself and others. Maybe consider some other basics along these lines, but you don't need to go crazy with it. Medications should obviously include anything you need prescription-wise, but I would also put in some ibuprofen and tylenol, and perhaps some topical disinfectant/anesthetic of some kind. None of these will save your life, but they might take the edge off the pain enough to help you think clearly.

Regarding beacons... SPOT and Delorme are not PLB's, however there is one very important thing you can do with them: Link them to your flight plan which you file and activate. My InReach is tied to my profile in Leidos (formerly Lockheed FSS) such that when I file a plan and turn my beacon on, SAR teams can pull my latest pings and see where it shows up. This is automatic and I don't have to link it per flight, just file/activate a plan and go. I let it track while I fly, and hopefully am coherent enough to hit the SOS button after the crash. If I'm not then worst case they will see my track up to wherever I was at most 10 minutes earlier, which should give a pretty good idea of a place and direction to start looking. Hopefully it still pings after the crash and can show where I am to within feet. Coupled with a 406 ELT being installed this spring and I think my changes of being located are decently good. If you aren't flying up real high you can also buck the FCC and just leave your phone on, giving them one more signal to triangulate.

Most of us were not trained to survive in the jungle with a knife and some duct tape. Unless you're pushing max gross (already a 'fail' for mountain flight), having some select extras in the plane to make the experience suck a little less can go a long way. Too many pilots and passengers have survived the crash only to die from exposure or injury or panic before rescue could be made. Consider the idea that you may be out there for days, hurt and afraid, and need to be 100% self sufficient. Stop the bleeding, stay breathing, get warm and hydrated, and wait to be found. Oh, and stay with the plane! That one kills people too. They're looking for whatever's left of your airplane and hoping you're nearby.
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Besides the basic first aid and signaling gear, I stock my kit as if I was going to go camp for the night in whatever part of the country I'm headed. I do a lot of camping out of the Champ, backpacking, and have done plenty of snow camping off a snowmobile or skis and it really doesn't take much gear to be pretty comfortable.
swap out some of the other emergency-only, super-light-gear for more basic gear like a sleeping bag and pad.

^^This^^
I keep some of the lightweight gimmicky survival gear in the 182 for passengers, but always have my normal (comfortable) stuff too. Makes it a lot easier to make the decision wait out the conditions, plus if you are in a pinch you are using gear that is familiar to you. Throw in a good book also, something to keep you entertained goes a long way.

Another good point is use your stuff...you don't need to pay three grand for a once in a lifetime survival course (not that that's a bad thing). Go spend a night out once in a while with your kit...or just fly up in the mountains/desert somewhere on a cold/hot day and build yourself a fire, take a nap, have a snack or cup of tea.

Like Hammer says, survival is just living. Living adapted to your current situation.
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Shoooot... You don't need all that.

Why I have survived many times in Minecraft (video game) with nothing but my bare hands. Just punch a tree to get some wood, then fashion some basic tools. Build yourself a little house, then kill a passing cow with your stone sword. Next thing you know, you will be smelting iron ore, and digging for diamonds. Just watch out at night for zombies, arrow-shooting skeletons, and exploding monsters.

*I am wondering how many of you will get any of that.

ANYWAY, my silliness aside, I would like to join the voices saying try your gear out, then modify as needed.

You learn what is really handy, and you learn what was a horrible thing/idea that you should feel bad for ever having.

Figure out what you need first, then work on saving weight. You don't always need to remove something for your kit to be lighter or smaller. Using quality lightweight gear and efficient packing methods can go a long way.

Also, I have found researching gear on Youtube to be pretty helpful. There are several guys who know their stuff and do gear reviews (NutnFancy comes to mind).

Anyway, that's just my ramblings. Looks like a good kit, now it just needs testing. :mrgreen:
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ShadowAviator wrote:Shoooot... You don't need all that.

Why I have survived many times in Minecraft (video game) with nothing but my bare hands. Just punch a tree to get some wood, then fashion some basic tools. Build yourself a little house, then kill a passing cow with your stone sword. Next thing you know, you will be smelting iron ore, and digging for diamonds. Just watch out at night for zombies, arrow-shooting skeletons, and exploding monsters.

*I am wondering how many of you will get any of that.
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Just a note on stoves. Some are advertised as being able to run on "aviation fuel". They might mean Jet A or some other kerosene-based fuel. Many stoves will not tolerate the lead in 100LL.

My survival gear is actually camping equipment. A lot to carry, but I would be very comfortable in a survival situation, barring a serious injury. And it's great to have along in case the fishing is good (or the weather is bad) and I decide to stay overnight (sat 'phone to close flight plan).

I keep the most-important stuff (including communications) in a "bail-out bag" close to my seat. I don't want to have to reach into a fire or dive under water to retrieve that stuff. I prefer a soft-sided, floating bag for this so I use a bright orange cooler.

Food is good for the psyche, whether you need it or not, just like fire.
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Be real careful with what you take away from utube. There's some good stuff, but a LOT of the programing draws from a very shallow pool of knowledge. MANY of the posters learn about half as much as a newly minted private pilot knows about flying, then portray themselves as experts. And while they do know more than someone who has nothing but a passing familiarity with the subject, they are real far from expert.

That doesn't mean they don't have something of value to share, but in my experience they are much like the blind men with the elephant...they know all about the trunk or the ear or the foot, but that's as far as their knowledge of the elephant goes.

Take it with a very big grain of salt, and don't take any of it for gospel. I have seen true expertise on utube, but it never came from anyone with their own intro clip.
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Great thread.

I think we need a "What Hammer said" button.
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Hammer wrote:Be real careful with what you take away from utube. There's some good stuff, but a LOT of the programing draws from a very shallow pool of knowledge. MANY of the posters learn about half as much as a newly minted private pilot knows about flying, then portray themselves as experts. And while they do know more than someone who has nothing but a passing familiarity with the subject, they are real far from expert.

That doesn't mean they don't have something of value to share, but in my experience they are much like the blind men with the elephant...they know all about the trunk or the ear or the foot, but that's as far as their knowledge of the elephant goes.

Take it with a very big grain of salt, and don't take any of it for gospel. I have seen true expertise on utube, but it never came from anyone with their own intro clip.


Agreed. I thought about putting something about that when I originally posted about youtube, but I forgot. #-o

If you sort through someone's videos, you can kinda get a feel for what they know. A lot of the good ones are pretty humble and don't have a showy youtube channel like Hammer mentioned.

I think its best to use youtube as just extra info, not a absolute guide.
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ShadowAviator wrote:I think its best to use youtube as just extra info, not a absolute guide.


I think you can pretty well extrapolate that statement to pretty much everything you read on the internet...
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I guess Ol Gil was a one-post-wonder...as in I wonder why he bothered to make one post?

Shame on the rest of us for responding to it, I guess.
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