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My Kit

While not directly aviation-related, survival and basic wilderness skills, sometimes called "bush craft" are an important part of flying the remote backcountry.
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Hammer wrote:I guess Ol Gil was a one-post-wonder...as in I wonder why he bothered to make one post?

Shame on the rest of us for responding to it, I guess.


I Don't know Ol Gil, but maybe he got all the info he needed and didn't feel the need to respond. Maybe he felt intimidated by all the various
responses, maybe he is on vacation in Greenland. Who knows why he didn't make another post and why should it matter. A lot of good info was shared here regardless. Shaming someone for one post is a sure way to keep folks from posting in the future.

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In a topic that will likely have a lot of traffic and opinions to accompany it, often times I’ll listen for a while before responding. Gives me a chance to gather a lot of info before jumping into one that initially agrees with my original thought. I’m as guilty as anyone for fishing for the answer I want to hear. :lol:

I appreciate the varied responses so far. Great information. I really enjoyed the KB video on survival vests.
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Hammer wrote:I guess Ol Gil was a one-post-wonder...as in I wonder why he bothered to make one post?

Shame on the rest of us for responding to it, I guess.


I Don't know Ol Gil, but maybe he got all the info he needed and didn't feel the need to respond. Maybe he felt intimidated by all the various
responses, maybe he is on vacation in Greenland. Who knows why he didn't make another post and why should it matter. A lot of good info was shared here regardless. Shaming someone for one post is a sure way to keep folks from posting in the future.

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You're probably right Pete.

But most times, when someone asks a question and then receives several thoughtful replies, they respond with an "ok" or "roger" or even a "ok, roger". I know it's just the internet, but still...

Participate or don't, but choose one or the other IMO.
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Hammer wrote:ou're probably right Pete.

But most times, when someone asks a question and then receives several thoughtful replies, they respond with an "ok" or "roger" or even a "ok, roger". I know it's just the internet, but still...

Participate or don't, but choose one or the other IMO.


Makes sense Hammer,

That's just good etiquette if nothing else.I know personally that I get a ton of good info from this forum and don't make a lot of posts. Flying is fairly new to me - 6 years, so I really enjoy the free flow of information on this site and would hate to see that curtailed.

That's all,

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I like what Hammer has to say on the topic (nice beaver). Especially a PLB and what’s on your person a la vest or what have you. It’s pricey, but I am considering starting a vest with a Mustang fisherman’s vest, which has built in, manually deployable inflation.
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Hammer contributed:

Throw away the antenna that came with it and get a proper one from Smiley Antenna. Remove and rubber-band the antenna to the side of the transceiver so it doesn't get kinked and damaged in the kit, and store the radio in two or three ziplock bags with a desiccant pack.

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I always fly with a handheld and backup AAs. - Vertex Standard VXA-300 Pilot III

Which Smiley antenna would be a proper one?

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TommyN wrote:Hammer contributed:

Throw away the antenna that came with it and get a proper one from Smiley Antenna. Remove and rubber-band the antenna to the side of the transceiver so it doesn't get kinked and damaged in the kit, and store the radio in two or three ziplock bags with a desiccant pack.

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I always fly with a handheld and backup AAs. - Vertex Standard VXA-300 Pilot III

Which Smiley antenna would be a proper one?

Thanks,

Tom


Just call Smiley Antenna, tell them the radio you use and the antenna connection, then settle on a frequency center that the antenna will work off of. They're super-helpful and will answer any questions you have. Basically, providing you get the right connection, the poorest antenna they offer is better than what came with your radio.
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Thanks to all and particularly dogpilot for comments and insight here. Have flushed out my already ample survival kit and, moreover, have a better mental model as to what to deploy and when....

Two items remain: a PLB or Tracker. I am leaning toward the PLB vs a tracker like Spot or the Garmin/deLorme. Trying to decide between an ACR ResQLink and a ResQLink+. 406Link.com offers a service so that you can send minimal messages. I figure that before flying to the back country that my phone will work and I can advise plans. And anywhere they have AvGas should have phone service. I don't see where I need tracking nor 2 way (lots) of text messaging while actually there. After all, I am trying to get away from that. If anyone has some insights they would be appreciated. I have not yet formed strong knowledge or opinions here yet.

Second, the flare gun. The marine Orions are common and I see a vintage Olin 12 gauge on eBay. Is there a difference? And where would I find ammunition/flares for the Olin 12 gauge? Are these considered firearms in any of the states? I plan on keeping my survival backpack in my car unless flying and would hate to have to call 1-800-WEGETUOUT if stopped for a traffic hiccup.

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Tom,

I’d vote for the DeLorme unit, for a couple reasons.

First, tracking function can seriously narrow a search window.

Second, you can share the tracking map with whomever you choose, as opposed to the PLB alert which goes only to RCC. You can, in fact share that link with Flight Service, for reference in the event you’re overdue on a flight plan.

Third, the DeLorme offers alerting capabilities over and above what a PLB does. Suppose you have a flat tire at some remote strip....no cell service. Not an “emergency”, but you need help. The DeLorme can reach different places that you select and program, like a flying buddy.

Fourth, the DeLorme will send messages...to someone other than RCC.

Finally, I sincerely hope that you have a 406 MHz ELT installed in your plane. If so, you already have that function covered.

As to flares, in my opinion, they are virtually useless in daylight, and only marginally better at night. I carry long duration signals, NOT short duration ones. I’ve been damn near shot down by a flare before I saw it during a search (daylight).

Think flashlight....LED with spare batteries for night, and maybe a pen laser pointer. For daylight, deplorable panels, space blankets, Mylar, etc. a roll of the yellow “caution tape” you see everywhere.....decorate a tree, shrub, or string it all over a meadow.

Smoke canisters.....there are small ones...are short term, but last longer than flares.
Use your imagination, there are lots of every day things that work as long term signals.

Flares have expiry dates, and yes, some states consider them firearms. Don’t even think about showing up at TSA with one, and I’m not sure postal service will take them. Going to Canada? Better check, and don’t forget....

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I'll second MTV on the w way comm or at least set messages for help. If I just have a mechanical problem I'd much rather contact a buddy to fly out with parts rather than call S&R...

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Unfortunately, I do not have a 406 MHz ELT installed in N735PX. Another factor. Thanks
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TommyN wrote:Unfortunately, I do not have a 406 MHz ELT installed in N735PX. Another factor. Thanks


Then I would do that before I worried about any other "survival" gear. You've spent a lot of money on an airplane.....to me, 121.5 ELTs are next to useless now. Buy a 406, and install it......and hope you never have to use it.

But, if you ever do have to use it, it'll be paid for ten times over.

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I guess I can take solace in the fact I do have a good flashlight. I just installed the BAS shoulder harness set and also the BAS LakeVue jumpseats. And I will be covering all the seats in leather. Will be ordering a new muffler for installation during annual. My annual expires end Jan. Am retired on fixed income and just can’t do more items greater than $1K until I see how the annual goes... But I have time as I will only make my backcountry/ X USA in the summer.

Thanks again...

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Obviously, when it comes to survival gear and communications - it all depends on the type of flying you do and the locale.

I fly in an area of Canada that is as remote as anything in Alaska. What's more, unlike Alaska, there are not dozens of bush 'planes (and people to pilot them) that will come to my assistance. I'd be relying on commercial operators or the military to affect a rescue.

I've spent thousands on survival gear, satellite 'phone, InReach, PLB and ELT. My cell 'phone quits about five miles out of town so I leave it at home. I also carry a handheld VHF radio and even have HF radio in the PA-12. I consider these expenses to be just another piece in the total cost of airplane ownership.

I don't use the tracking feature on my InReach, but could. I really should learn how to use that feature and teach my wife how to monitor my progress.

The satellite 'phone is essential here because it's the only way we can file, close, extend or amend a flight plan (I always file and I stay within a mile of my proposed route). If I'm at my cabin for a week or two the InReach is great to get weather and to send casual short text messages at little cost. The PLB, as a back-up to the ELT, is always in my pocket, whether on floats or on skis. I wear a vest (inflatable PFD) when on floats with lots of pockets for basic survival stuff.

I could reduce my survival gear (actually camping equipment) to the bare minimum and carry about a hundred pounds less in the 'plane, but I choose not to. In a survival situation I want to (and will) be very comfortable.

Barring a serious accident (and that can be mitigated, though not completely eliminated, by proper aircraft maintenance and an abundance of caution) I'll be more-than-okay for the 48-hours or less that I would be stranded.
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I carry a SPOT when flying and hunting and leave it in the track mode so my wife can find the last "ping" and direction of travel if i don't show up on time. The Spot is nice for me because it is light, cheap, simple to use and meets my needs. I have a couple of pre-set messages that i can send to let her or my friends know i am running late or need help without sending in the Calvary. It is limited though compared to the In Reach which my daughter has and has used extensively while traveling both in the states and through Central America.

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Re: My Kit

I've been somewhat of a lurker here on BCP for a few years now and thought I'd weigh in on the topic. Many of you fine folks have talked about or mentioned a survival vest of some sort, which in my opinion is probably the best survival tool any pilot can have with them.

I can attest to the fact that you sometimes escape a downed aircraft with only what you have on your person. I had the misfortune of having to experience a forced night in the bush, along with my 2 passengers, soaking wet and nothing but a bic lighter, some rope and a paddle (aircraft was upside down in the middle of the lake!). I won't go into details of the incident, other than no injuries and rescue was only 12 hours wait time.

I've learned the hard way, that there will be times when your survival pack is inaccessible and you only have time to get out with what you have on your person. That's where the survival vest is a great option, along with a spot, Inreach or Sat phone.

I now have the Inreach and a survival vest put together, which still isn't sufficient in my eyes and changes with the weather. The most valuable survival tool (in my opinion) is your flight plan or flight note....ALWAYS let someone know where you're going!

On a final note....great site folks and a wealth of knowledge here to draw from.
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Still pondering the mystery of Ol Gil.
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Zzz wrote:Still pondering the mystery of Ol Gil.


Ol Gil AKA Zane trying to get new sponsorships...
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Re: My Kit

Lots of very good thoughts and ideas here, One thing of note is that if you study real survival situations and who lived or died, it is very often not a matter of what they had or didn't have for gear. It is mostly a matter of WILL. The very best gear in the world won't help if you give up. If you have the will to live, barring major injury, you will live.
However, having a decent survival kit will make it one hell of a lot more comfortable.
I use a stearns inflatable life vest that has lots of pockets and I try to put things like my inreach in the vest. The rest of my gear is in a duffle bag that I may or may not be able to get to .
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