Nice plane. Thanks for the heads up.

Slowandlow wrote:Nice plane. Thanks for the heads up.

If you decide to inquire further on it, keep us updated. Like MTV said that's a lot of airplane for that price.

One of the things that used to be somewhat problematic with Sedans was they weren’t supported with parts. Burl Rogers now owns the TC, and supports the plane, as well as providing useful modifications.

MTV

There's a tidy looking 170B posted on Bstormers this AM at $62K.

170b for your mission. No question. I don't think there is really another plane out there that does what it does quite as well (Balance of economy and a really wide range of successful performance and safety characteristics).

With the extended baggage, we (wife and I) sometimes sleep in the back when the situation suits it. Then we burn 6.5-7 gallons/hr to the next awesome location, be it a river bar, desert bluff or beach. Can you do that in a stinson or a pacer?

There is a reason the 170 is the grandaddy of the most successful GA airplane of all time.

Side-note. Stinsons are cool too, but I sure don't see many around.

Buy a 170.

You can thank me later

Truly appreciate all the replies. It will be some time before I can do this solely, so right now I'm searching for a partnership deal. And ultimately the 170 is where I want to be, but I wouldn't be opposed to starting in a 172.

Thanks again!

Randy

75K will get you a 4-place, 220 hp plus, and 1000 lb payload. It's called a Super Stinson.

Slowandlow wrote:Truly appreciate all the replies. It will be some time before I can do this solely, so right now I'm searching for a partnership deal. And ultimately the 170 is where I want to be, but I wouldn't be opposed to starting in a 172.

Thanks again!

Randy

There's nothing BCP community enjoys more than spending other people's money, happy to be of assistance.

Buy your last plane first!

Here's another take --- I'd buy experimental. I wouldn't buy from just any builder, and my pre-buy would be a doozy, but if you never ever want to make money with the airplane (separate discussion) then you can get a whole lot of NEW(er) airplane and keep some money in your pocket.

As a guy who is relatively new to owning planes I'm very glad I went experimental. I have a modern nav suite that gives more information in a couple screens than anything I've ever flown. Patroller door mod's? Don't need it, it was build w/ glass doors the whole way down. STC's? Nope - there are folks out there who are afficianado's in your niche, they'll likely have a kit for that mod, or plans (I'm working on a belly pod situation, there's a dude 200 miles north of me who has a great design in kit form for like $900 in sheet metal then you DIY it). They have forums, usually friendly helpful ones like this one where someone has done what you're thinking or getting out of an old plane for a newer build.

Note: Still takes an intimate relationship w/ an A&P, but find the right fella and they should let you do a significant chunk of the work/maintenance but still look things over in stages or when complete so you can feel solid about what's done.

For you a Kitfox sounds like a starter -- you aren't getting into a newish 7 for that money -- BUT you could definitely get into a lovingly used 5 (I think that was the wide fuselage mod at a 5). Fold those wings, have a hangar-mate. Pre-Kitfox there was Avid -- I didn't do too much research there as those start to get pretty small and I'm of a manly size. Just Highlanders are out there to be had. Yes, you can get a "real" engine if you're an anti-rotax dude -- I have an O-360 on my experimental. Some of these little taildraggers are VERY sexy. There is some building skill out there to make a man weep.

There are cub clones galore, most w/ some amount of improvement on the original design. There are J-4 clones if tandem is not an option (as mentioned above).

Since I did a ton of homework here I would throw this out --- SOME of these experimentals can get pretty small and real light --- there is a world of LSA that keeps things under 1340 #'s (? check me but I'm close) -- and I flew some of those to check that world out. Thing about that particular world is you can be REALLY space and WEIGHT limited. I thought unrealistically so for my use case and considering an 800# plane in even a 10kts crosswind --- I'm not always that good a pilot.

I have 1000#'s useful, 2 real seats, another seat in the back (I have one 95# passenger who fits back there, or the dog), 400 nm range w/ reserve, a O-360 (any mechanic, common parts). It's experimental. It's not sexy (at ALL). But I'm more of a pickup truck kind of fella, she looks just fine to me.

I just think it's worth mentioning that there are some AWESOME experimentals out there and the cost of ownership drops a lot with the more work you can do. There are issues here -- if you are trying to write things off, business it up, lease it back -- ok that gets weird. But if you're a dude wants a great plane to fly around and do stuff? Experimental is a whole world of viable options.

@flipfloplife good suggestion. Thanks!

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... atid=17352

Stretch that budget a bit.

There's a nice looking 1953 170B on Bstormer @ $79K

skyward II wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/classified-1777678-1952-Cessna-170B.html?catid=17352

Stretch that budget a bit.

$145,000.00 for a C170????

Shy of it being a turboprop /G full tilt boogie STOL machine with a 140kt+ cruise…


I’ll have what he’s having

NineThreeKilo wrote:

skyward II wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/classified-1777678-1952-Cessna-170B.html?catid=17352

Stretch that budget a bit.

$145,000.00 for a C170????

Shy of it being a turboprop /G full tilt boogie STOL machine with a 140kt+ cruise…


I’ll have what he’s having

You haven’t been watching Cessna prices lately have you? Or Pipers, or……Super Cubs in good shape are all well north of $100 K, like $150K…..

Bone stock C170Bs are listed for $100 K.

Go figure. Then again, price a new Carbon Cub.

MTV

mtv wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:

skyward II wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/classified-1777678-1952-Cessna-170B.html?catid=17352

Stretch that budget a bit.

$145,000.00 for a C170????

Shy of it being a turboprop /G full tilt boogie STOL machine with a 140kt+ cruise…


I’ll have what he’s having

You haven’t been watching Cessna prices lately have you? Or Pipers, or……Super Cubs in good shape are all well north of $100 K, like $150K…..

Bone stock C170Bs are listed for $100 K.

Go figure. Then again, price a new Carbon Cub.

MTV

I don’t want to even say way I paid for my low time /G 185F not too long ago

That’s crazy

NineThreeKilo wrote:

skyward II wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/classified-1777678-1952-Cessna-170B.html?catid=17352

Stretch that budget a bit.

$145,000.00 for a C170????

Shy of it being a turboprop /G full tilt boogie STOL machine with a 140kt+ cruise…


I’ll have what he’s having

If you tried to buy a clean 170 with timed out engine and build the same plane for that price, when you were all done, you would have wished you had spent the $145k and been flying if for 8 months already……

You are comparing Apples to Oranges with the 185 comparison, although 180 and 185 prices seemed to have stalled 6 months ago. As you well know, you gotta fly them to a stop. Crosswind challenges. Maybe buyers get in over there head with them being more work than they wanted to fly them so price to sell quickly and move on. 182’s just keep climbing in value.

Some want it light and playful and will pay for it.

New Husky’s are $400+.

There's a nice-looking round tail (that's code for 170) on Bstormers at $72K

skyward II wrote:

NineThreeKilo wrote:

skyward II wrote:https://www.barnstormers.com/classified-1777678-1952-Cessna-170B.html?catid=17352

Stretch that budget a bit.

$145,000.00 for a C170????

Shy of it being a turboprop /G full tilt boogie STOL machine with a 140kt+ cruise…


I’ll have what he’s having

If you tried to buy a clean 170 with timed out engine and build the same plane for that price, when you were all done, you would have wished you had spent the $145k and been flying if for 8 months already……

You are comparing Apples to Oranges with the 185 comparison, although 180 and 185 prices seemed to have stalled 6 months ago. As you well know, you gotta fly them to a stop. Crosswind challenges. Maybe buyers get in over there head with them being more work than they wanted to fly them so price to sell quickly and move on. 182’s just keep climbing in value.

Some want it light and playful and will pay for it.

New Husky’s are $400+.

It was before all the covid crazy prices, however I don’t recall seeing many firesale priced skywagons