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soyAnarchisto wrote:Oh I totally agree - go in there once and camp on site for at least a few days. You need to know for yourself whether it's for you or not. Oshkosh is not just a fly-in. It's a convention - in the worlds biggest sense of the word. Yes, there's a ton to see. But, quite a bit of it is the same every year.

Each time I've been to OSH I feel like I'm locked in and can't go anywhere once you are there and you've dumped your gear. They are all weird about not serving/selling alcohol. You gotta walk outside the gate to the pop-up bars. And you don't get to camp next to your friends unless you do a group arrival. And it's so damn big you need a bike to get around and they aren't allowed. My biggest thing about it is not being able to fly out and come back to your camp site - it's such a big production to get in and out of that place. About 2-3 days is all I can take. After 1 day of talking about planes, I want to go FLY!

New Holstein is great. They have a grass strip w/ a STOL comp with flour bombing that you can actually participate in instead of just watching. And the fly-outs to other locations are awesome - things you don't normally get access to like private strips. And you can can camp on NICE grass - and go out and back to your camp site. Feel like tooling around the pattern at sunset? It's okay, NBD. The showers are right there and you don't have to hike 6 miles to get to them or anything else you need outside of the gates. And it's much more quiet. And did I mention the food is catered and actually GOOD instead of eating like you are at a carnival.

I go to meet friends too. Seems like our type of people are all over at New Holstein. At OSH you have to worry about that mooney driver ramming it up your backside cause he hasn't flown more than 5 hours in the last year and can't hit a dot the size of a barn.

One more uber-secret tip. NORDO arrival to OSH. It's the shit. But you probably should have a j3 so you don't get the stinkeye.


Man all that sounds like a blast. I just picked up a 170 so slow is just fine with me :) where do you register!!??

Would love to do that a few days before camping at Oshkosh. I'm not sure how many days I'll be able to handle either, but I'll camp until I'm sick of it and then head out to the next adventure. I figured having a flexible plan would be key to worm around weather.


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aktahoe1 wrote:New Holstein is the weekend leading up to Osh this year. Leave Sunday and then go direct Osh.

Big Low and Slow crew leaving the Monday prior to Osh from the west.

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Sounds like a plan to me ;)


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aktahoe1 wrote:New Holstein is the weekend leading up to Osh this year. Leave Sunday and then go direct Osh.

Big Low and Slow crew leaving the Monday prior to Osh from the west.

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Sounds like a plan to me ;)


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Good luck getting a camp spot late Sunday.

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Mike please correct me if I'm wrong but people fky in all week and camp under their wing. Pretty straight forward really no?

Flew in with 16 planes two years ago on Sunday afternoon and half of them camped under their wing.
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Yes, that can work, but the last couple years, Vintage camping has filled up really early. Did you come in with the STOL crew then? That was a special deal. The real problem is that if you do get in, you'll be parked so far south that folks speak with a drawl. :D

And this year there's a big Cub celebration, so a big chunk of Vintage will go to them.

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FWIW, the food at OSH has improved greatly in the last couple of years--different vendors, much better food. Granted, there are lines during the day at the food court and sometimes at the outlying vendors, but when there are lots of people, there's only so much that can be accomplished.

Also, the NORDO procedures are spelled out on page 28 of the 2017 NOTAM--https://www.eaa.org/~/media/files/airventure/flyingin/2017-airventure-notam-final-%2003-29-17.pdf. They're no different from what they would be entering any towered airport NORDO, other than the time limitations for calling, i.e., call first by phone, get permission. Personally, I wouldn't want to go in NORDO. I'd want at least a handheld, for safety.

But again, whatever is best for the individual. For me, the week at OSH is a nice vacation, and it's pretty unique compared to the average fly-in.

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Airplaneflyer wrote:Man all that sounds like a blast. I just picked up a 170 so slow is just fine with me :) where do you register!!??

Would love to do that a few days before camping at Oshkosh. I'm not sure how many days I'll be able to handle either, but I'll camp until I'm sick of it and then head out to the next adventure. I figured having a flexible plan would be key to worm around weather.


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Join supercub.org (it's not just for supercubs - lots of us cessna drivers there) and follow this thread:

http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthread.php?52068-Official-Information-2017-New-Holstein-Super-Cub-Fly-In-July-21-26-SLIGHT-DATE-CHANGE!&highlight=holstein
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Re: Oshkosh and more?

I thinking about flying up this year. Hope to camp out the whole week.

Be aware, if you go to the New Holstein fly-in, they all look down their nose at you if you don't have a cub. :mrgreen:

The food was good, though.
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Re: Oshkosh and more?

And, if you camp at OSH, you can fly in and out, though it's a bit of a thrash. You just have to leave and return when the field is open. The daily air show closes the field each afternoon, but the field reopens once the show is over.

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With it being my first time at Osh, I'm sure I'll be camped and staying out for at least a few days.

I've never been to a fly in either though so I'm looking forward to that too. Does seam like more of my scene, but come on, it's Oshkosh we're talking about here. OSH-KOSH.

This has been super helpful. Do appreciate it. Don't stop with the advice :)


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Again, good walking shoes are essential. Greg mentioned earlier restrictions on alcohol, but that has changed a lot in recent years. Bring a cooler with your own, and you can buy beer at the store on site.

Grab a program online and review the workshop schedule and seminars. Huge selection of programs, that will give info plus a little time out of the sun. Ever curious about doing fabric work, or welding? Workshops there offer hands on experience.

The nightly movies Cary noted can be fun, but they start (and end) late, cause they're drive in style (actually walk in) theater.

Noted earlier, plan a full day at the museum.

Plan at least a half day at the seaplane base.....much cooler than the field. They have a watermelon social one evening. And SPA has their big corn roast just off site on Thursday night.....brats, corn on the cob and beer.

Visit the warbird area for some amazing talks by veterans and some beautifully restored warbirds. If you're a veteran, Friday is a special day at the warbirds area.

Etc......

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READ THE NOTAM!

What I haven't seen anyone mention yet is the part of the NOTAM where you are directed to fly at a very specific airspeed (90 knots, or max cruise if you can't do 90 knots, in which case they also recommend you arrive between 7:00 and 7:30 AM!) until you are basically on short final and have been assigned your colored "dot" to land on. Before I flew into Sun-N-Fun, I practiced flying the pattern at 90 knots until short final, and asked my local tower crew to "surprise" me with either "numbers" or "Intersection" (1800 ft down the runway) as my required touchdown points. It wasn't quite the same as the 3 dots at SNF or OSH, but darn good practice. The first time I did that, I had a hard time slowing from 90 on short final and making the touchdown point. Glad I practiced - got an "Attaboy" from SNF tower for the "real thing"...

You asked about good day/time to arrive. Sunday arrivals for the past two years at OSH were a total zoo. A bunch of idiots flew in that had apparently never even heard of the NOTAM, and busted into the pattern flying directly into landing traffic with 3 on final, 3 on base, and 7-8 on downwind... Of course, when they finally saw the traffic, they started a climbing turn directly into the middle of the pattern.

READ THE NOTAM!

The other thing is that by mid-morning on Monday, the homebuilt and GA camping areas were full. By early Monday afternoon, even Vintage camping (and the far Southern end way down past the Ultralight area) were filled up. Until Wednesday (when some folks finally left), there was no room for aircraft camping, unless you just happened to arrive just as someone else left. Thursday and Friday were OK until late Friday afternoon, and then it was packed until Sunday morning (last day - pretty much nothing going on except the airshow).

In my book, the best days to arrive are the Friday or Saturday before the show starts. Friday is a lot lighter traffic, but Saturday is still way better than Sunday/Monday.

READ THE NOTAM!

One more thing... Be sure you have PLENTY of fuel on board when you get to RIPON for the arrival procedure. If someone screws the pooch and closes one (or more) runways for a while, traffic stacks up VERY quickly, and you may be holding for a long time (2 hours or more delay is not unheard of). Best plan is to immediately divert to one of the many local airports and wait it out on the ground. But whatever you do, do NOT arrive there with just enough fuel to get to OSH... Delays are pretty much "normal procedure" for any time of arrival.

And one last point: READ THE NOTAM!
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JP256 wrote:READ THE NOTAM!

What I haven't seen anyone mention yet is the part of the NOTAM where you are directed to fly at a very specific airspeed (90 knots, or max cruise if you can't do 90 knots, in which case they also recommend you arrive between 7:00 and 7:30 AM!) until you are basically on short final and have been assigned your colored "dot" to land on. Before I flew into Sun-N-Fun, I practiced flying the pattern at 90 knots until short final, and asked my local tower crew to "surprise" me with either "numbers" or "Intersection" (1800 ft down the runway) as my required touchdown points. It wasn't quite the same as the 3 dots at SNF or OSH, but darn good practice. The first time I did that, I had a hard time slowing from 90 on short final and making the touchdown point. Glad I practiced - got an "Attaboy" from SNF tower for the "real thing"...

You asked about good day/time to arrive. Sunday arrivals for the past two years at OSH were a total zoo. A bunch of idiots flew in that had apparently never even heard of the NOTAM, and busted into the pattern flying directly into landing traffic with 3 on final, 3 on base, and 7-8 on downwind... Of course, when they finally saw the traffic, they started a climbing turn directly into the middle of the pattern.

READ THE NOTAM!

The other thing is that by mid-morning on Monday, the homebuilt and GA camping areas were full. By early Monday afternoon, even Vintage camping (and the far Southern end way down past the Ultralight area) were filled up. Until Wednesday (when some folks finally left), there was no room for aircraft camping, unless you just happened to arrive just as someone else left. Thursday and Friday were OK until late Friday afternoon, and then it was packed until Sunday morning (last day - pretty much nothing going on except the airshow).

In my book, the best days to arrive are the Friday or Saturday before the show starts. Friday is a lot lighter traffic, but Saturday is still way better than Sunday/Monday.

READ THE NOTAM!

One more thing... Be sure you have PLENTY of fuel on board when you get to RIPON for the arrival procedure. If someone screws the pooch and closes one (or more) runways for a while, traffic stacks up VERY quickly, and you may be holding for a long time (2 hours or more delay is not unheard of). Best plan is to immediately divert to one of the many local airports and wait it out on the ground. But whatever you do, do NOT arrive there with just enough fuel to get to OSH... Delays are pretty much "normal procedure" for any time of arrival.

And one last point: READ THE NOTAM!


I'd add to that, READ THE NOTAM! :) Seriously, it has in it just about everything you need to know.

Practice before hand is valuable--know what power settings achieve 90 knots. Trim for that airspeed in level flight. You're coming in at 1800' MSL (1000' AGL), and you want to easily maintain that. I suggest following a road as practice to follow the railroad track from RIPON to FISK--it's not exactly a straight line, but close. Then practice landing on a specific point, because you're asked to land on the dot that ATC (tower) assigns. Practice right hand patterns, because if you're given 27, that's a right hand pattern, and it's close in. If you're given 36 or 18, it could be 36L/18R (a normal runway) or 36R/18L (a taxiway that is a lot narrower than a runway).

When tower tells you to start your descent, which they will about mid-downwind for 27 or 18, that's a good time to get slowed down to your approach speed. It's a relatively tight pattern, and it's a lot easier if you're at your approach speed by the time you're turning base. Then hold that approach speed to land on your assigned dot--but if you're going to miss it, don't worry about it. You have plenty of runway, no matter what. As many times as I've landed on 36, I can't recall being told when to descend, but it's a base entry, so you'll want to get down soon enough so that you can turn final at about 14-1500' MSL, 4-500' AGL.

It's a good idea to practice go arounds, because that does happen. Some honyock will fail to taxi off into the grass, or someone will prang (I watched that happen 3 times last year--none of the ones I saw hurt anyone, but airplanes were hurt and the runways got closed for awhile). If tower says "go around", do it immediately. I've had to do that, when the airplane in front of me refused multiple tower directions to exit into the grass.

So far in many years of going to OSH, I've only had to hold once, and that was for about 45 minutes. I always go in with a surplus of about 3+ hours of fuel, so fuel has never been an issue. It's not that fuel is pricey at OSH, because it's not--pretty normal these days. But holding and watching the gas gauges go down would be really uncomfortable.

And don't talk on the radio unnecessarily! Don't respond to most ATC calls with words, just do. And have fun! That's really what it's all about.

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Re: Oshkosh and more?

ShadowAviator wrote:I thinking about flying up this year. Hope to camp out the whole week.

Be aware, if you go to the New Holstein fly-in, they all look down their nose at you if you don't have a cub. :mrgreen:

The food was good, though.



I've flown into New Holstein with my Rans S7 before and am planning it again this year and found everyone to be most friendly. A great event with great food amd camaraderie.
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JP256 wrote:Sunday arrivals for the past two years at OSH were a total zoo.


Last year, at least, the Sunday mess was due to poor weather Friday and Saturday. Even Sunday morning was pretty bad for a while.

So, the advice I'll add to JP256's is "watch the weather". If it rains for a day or two, then things will be congested when the airport reopens. This will be true any day of the week, but is particularly acute Sun - Tue.
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JP256 wrote:Sunday arrivals for the past two years at OSH were a total zoo.


Last year, at least, the Sunday mess was due to poor weather Friday and Saturday. Even Sunday morning was pretty bad for a while.

So, the advice I'll add to JP256's is "watch the weather". If it rains for a day or two, then things will be congested when the airport reopens. This will be true any day of the week, but is particularly acute Sun - Tue.


That makes perfect sense! I remember seeing some stuff online about the weather being bad a few days before. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks


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Hmmmm, I landed OSH on Saturday......bad weather? Now that you mention it, it wasn't real busy.

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Magnet wrote:

I've flown into New Holstein with my Rans S7 before and am planning it again this year and found everyone to be most friendly. A great event with great food amd camaraderie.


It is pretty interesting. I liked the laid back feel as compared to Oshkosh.

Last year, after the meal, I was able to catch a ride in a cub back to OSH for the night show.
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mtv wrote:Hmmmm, I landed OSH on Saturday......bad weather? Now that you mention it, it wasn't real busy.

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Looking into this trip a little more... I can either plan on B lining it straight from Lexington KY to North Fox Island, or head up to the bottom of the lake and fly the coastline up. I think the coastline would be cool and a little more scenic. Three questions...
1. Is his legal? I don't know why it wouldn't be.
2. Good idea? Bad idea?
3. I've never flown over a large body of water, what should I bring/plan for?


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