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Re: Short field landing

Being the unofficial dirt eater/distance measurer, the modded cubs (both of them) all came in at about 150 to 200 feet.Great flying there! Big John in the Kitfox at around 280 feet. AKTahoe definitely had the shortest 180 landing, just short of 300. Unfortunately, two scratches left him out of the running....Also great flying! Mountain Matt was super consistent and won the heavyweight class with two right around 450 feet. Superb airmanship! I notice that the 170's also did better than a couple of high performance homebuilt types!
4000' agl, 90F, and highly variable winds. IMHO, everyone that competed did an awesome job. The Adam even got the Super Cherokee 180 down consistently in 650 feet!
What fun!!!
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I think Pops made the shortest landing at 111' it's at the end of the video posted on the caveman photo threat,
Really a nice one, text book in my opinion.

I think this video of AK's landing was closer to 180' really nicely done but it was his third so it didn't get measured.
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3 different stories on AK's landing.....sounds like all 3 of ya were on Gary's margs. :)
I'm just jealous I couldn't make it this year, nice landing!
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I'll give credit where credit is due, in one way or another I got my butt kicked by Kevin for the shortest heavy weight landing of the day. I won't second guess the judges decision though, no one else was willing to eat sand all afternoon, thanks guys! (My wife was very proud of me when I showed the rock to her, haha.)

Scratch or no scratch, we all had fun and that's what matters. =D> (My offer still stands Kevin. :wink: )
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Them's some nice trophy rocks. I think there should be more categories next year - like a light weight no-electrics class. Perhaps novice/intermediate/expert class based on time in type or number of previous landings at UT68! Wimmin, chirrin, masters. ;-)

Those downdrafts on short final were a little sketchy - great job guys - especially with the 180s.
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mountainmatt wrote:I'll give credit where credit is due, in one way or another I got my butt kicked by Kevin for the shortest heavy weight landing of the day. I won't second guess the judges decision though, no one else was willing to eat sand all afternoon, thanks guys! (My wife was very proud of me when I showed the rock to her, haha.)

Scratch or no scratch, we all had fun and that's what matters. =D> (My offer still stands Kevin. :wink: )



Ya a big thanks to Tom and Del for organizing and judging the contest. =D> ( it was a lot of dust eating)

And the judges gave out the awards just the way the contest was set up.
Pops AK myself and a few others all DQ'd on one of our two landings and that puts u totally out.

I would propose that we adopt the Valdez style next year. U get two landings and we just take your shortest one as your score.

I think that will make it even more fun to watch, because people will be going for maxim performance. If you know that if even one of your landings comes up a foot short you will be out, it gives incentive to play it safe and only go 90% so u don't accidentally DQ.

From a spectator point of view I would rather see everyone going all out with a few more DQ's and a few more really short landings than a just lots of "good" landings with very few DQ's.

That's just my 2 cents and it was great fun. Anyway we do it I'm looking forward to next year. :P
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Blu wrote:
mountainmatt wrote:I'll give credit where credit is due, in one way or another I got my butt kicked by Kevin for the shortest heavy weight landing of the day. I won't second guess the judges decision though, no one else was willing to eat sand all afternoon, thanks guys! (My wife was very proud of me when I showed the rock to her, haha.)

Scratch or no scratch, we all had fun and that's what matters. =D> (My offer still stands Kevin. :wink: )



Ya a big thanks to Tom and Del for organizing and judging the contest. =D> ( it was a lot of dust eating)

And the judges gave out the awards just the way the contest was set up.
Pops AK myself and a few others all DQ'd on one of our two landings and that puts u totally out.

I would propose that we adopt the Valdez style next year. U get two landings and we just take your shortest one as your score.

I think that will make it even more fun to watch, because people will be going for maxim performance. If you know that if even one of your landings comes up a foot short you will be out, it gives incentive to play it safe and only go 90% so u don't accidentally DQ.

From a spectator point of view I would rather see everyone going all out with a few more DQ's and a few more really short landings than a just lots of "good" landings with very few DQ's.

That's just my 2 cents and it was great fun. Anyway we do it I'm looking forward to next year. :P


I like that idea too, both of my landings touched down within 5 feet of each other and I'm sure were the shortest for the medium weight class but I DQ'd the 2nd one by a few feet :oops: I could have played it safe and landed 20 feet beyond the line and won my class, but I was trying to get it down right on the line! I think the shortest landing for each class should win as long as you touched down on or after the line. It shouldn't take you out of the running if you scratch one of the landings. Guess I'm just a sore loser #-o
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I touched before the line on my second landing too. My first one was a little long, and I wanted to at least compete with Rob on my second. But I screwed it up, and at some of the airstrips in Utah I'd be squished against the side of a cliff. But even if we counted the second one, Rob still would have kicked my trash! Time to go out and practice a bit more. It was a total blast though! I've done spot landing contests at my home airport, but it's usually against the katana crowd and not much of a competition. At least at Caveman there were more people who know how to stop it short.
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May be we can do a combination shortfield takeoff & Landing combined distances next year just to spice it up a little. Kudos to all those that put this on and am looking forward to next year. (So is the Wife).
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Tricky landing! No room for a wind gust!
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Found good info on this subject at the Supercub forums.

http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthrea ... ike-Vivion
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http://www.pilotweb.aero/techniques-training/bush_flying_in_alaska_1_1572918

Pretty well-written article in a UK flying magazine, "Pilot". Jonny Seccombe went to Above Alaska in Talkeetna and did their "Bush Course" in a 7GCBC.

That 7GCBC sounds pretty tricked out. Leading edge cuffs, vortex generators on wing and tail, "fences" between the flaps and ailerons, and of course the ABW including the tailwheel. Had to chuckle at the author's comments on the "weight-saving" efforts of not installing gyro instruments.
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Karmutzen wrote:http://www.pilotweb.aero/techniques-training/bush_flying_in_alaska_1_1572918

Pretty good article in a UK flying magazine. Jonny Seccombe went to Above Alaska in Talkeetna and did their "Bush Course" in a 7GCBC.


That was a very well written article. I could visualize the whole thing as he described it!
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And yet another "style" of short field landing. Anybody have any advice for this guy? BTW the strip is 1600' long and uphill in the direction he's going.

His quote "On my trip to Hudson Island for a week of holidays, I encountered rainy drizzle on the final 5 minutes prior to arrival, and I knew that the short grass airstrip would be slippery. So I spent extra time slowing the plane down gradually, adding full flaps gradually, and approaching the runway at the edge of stall speed, which is was about 57 Knots. A video shows me coming in for a landing, seemingly too low, but this is what I wanted. I wanted to be in level flight at stable airspeed over the ocean, and then as I cross the threshold of the runway, pull the nose up a bit, add some power, which puts the plane into slower-than- stall speed, but the added power makes the plane enter “slow flight” mode. I then cut the power, and the plane drops a few feet, truly drops, a few feet, (truly stalls) and does a bounce on the runway. I couldn’t actually see the grass of the runway doing this landing, but I had practiced this sort of landing back at my airport, to prepare for a rainy day like today."


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Karmutzen wrote:And yet another "style" of short field landing. Anybody have any advice for this guy?


Looks like he got a little behind...while behind the power curve :mrgreen:

Wasn't a perfect landing, but which one of us hasn't been there before 8) Plan seemed good, execution not so much. By definition, a great landing :wink:
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What plane was that?
He had guts for doing it with that angle.
visibility must have been reduced dramatically.
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Looked like maybe a Found Bushhawk.
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C-GEXY
Manufacturer: Found Brothers
Model: FBA-2C3
Serial: 302 manufactured in 2010.

Pretty gutsy pilot that is willing to burn the gas to improve himself and enjoy his airplane like it should be enjoyed. Regularly flies from Camrose, Alberta, "over or through the rocks" to the West Coast where he has a cabin with a small strip on an island. I was over there last weekend with the Citabria just to check out what all the excitement was about. Easy peasy in a 7 GCBC, but a nose gear airplane with a 57 knot (66 mph) stall speed could be more exciting. Strip has a bend in it so you can't see all the way to the ends and is uphill to the middle from both ends. I think some guys used to land a T-6 there.
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Im surprised they make a bush plane with that high of a stall speed.
Even a 210 stalls at lower speed .
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WHEEL / 3 POINT??
THOUGHT i WOULD STIR THE POT AGAIN!! :mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egUPX1ugy80


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