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Re: SPOT Tracker - I've just about had it!!!

GumpAir wrote:
nmflyguy wrote:Finding your decayed remains days, weeks, months or even years later (a la Steve Fossett) - when you or your passengers could have survived - is a helluva price to pay for feeling "free".


It is..

And for some the risk is not worth the reward. But for me, I'll take my chances thank you, and if I get myself into trouble I'll work at getting myself out.

Most days when I fly now I haven't a clue where I'm going until I get there. I wander. Doesn't mean I'm stupid or suicidal, as Plan B,C,D, and E is always locked and loaded for where to go or what to do if something breaks. But I'm with Bob in that I don't want to tell anyone where I'm going, I don't want to talk to anyone in order to get there, and it's nobody's business what I'm doing.

Will that attitude bite me in the ass someday? Maybe. In three weeks I'll have somehow managed to survive 40 years and a shitload of backcountry flying hours without a scratch. But, four weeks from now, I might be drying out into a skeleton in the desert too. Shit happens.

This country wasn't opened up and explored by men with SPOT's. The pioneer aviators didn't have ELT's and PLB's or navigate with GPS. Would they if they could have? Damn right they would. But they didn't, and they were willing to risk it all for the adventure and satisfaction in spite of the lack of safety and security. That same spirit is sadly lacking now days.

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Right On, old dude!
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Better to be on the ground wishing you were flying than in the air wishing you were on the ground.

Better to have the SPOT and not need it, than need it and not have it.

In my 29 years in the fire dept I saw a lot of people die, I can tell you, when 98% of people are starring death in the face, they don't want to die.

If you don't want to use any kind of safety or survival equipment it is no skin off my nose. I have had to comfort family members who lost a loved one, I don't like doing that. If you don't have anyone who loves you, fine. If you have people who love you, maybe think about them.

There are also people who will be risking there lives to find you, think of them. They have families too. If you don't want to be followed please tell your family so others won't risk there lives to find a person who doesn't want to be found.

I have a bunch of survival gear. Plus a SPOT and 406PLB. I want to be found.

Live everyday like it could be your last one...Rob
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very good points rob! i do have and use my spot. if u have kids scattered around, i do feel it is important that someone has a way to locate your worn out old body...! my spot sends the messages to the right people! life insurance does work, and last time i checked, they need a body to do that!
the frank is a big place, not sure how your kids would ever go to the pay window if they couldnt find you!
one other good point by rob, is to remember that lots of others would be searching..putting themselves and all others at risk. not too many years ago here in town, one of the local bozo's decided to go take a run at the dope buis in mexico. he told everyone that he was headed for central idaho and etc. when he did not return as expected, tons of people searched high and low...thought he had gone down around the middle fork...turned up a couple months later in texas, arrested for running drugs...after lots of time and money spent looking for his sorry ass..!
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Most days when I fly now I haven't a clue where I'm going until I get there. I wander. Doesn't mean I'm stupid or suicidal, as Plan B,C,D, and E is always locked and loaded for where to go or what to do if something breaks. But I'm with Bob in that I don't want to tell anyone where I'm going, I don't want to talk to anyone in order to get there, and it's nobody's business what I'm doing.


The beauty of these tracking devices, as safety devices, is that you don't have to tell anyone where you are going. It is a case of letting them know when you are in trouble. And with some of them you don't even have to do that as it will do it automatically.

The best option for good coverage is to use a device the uses the Iridium Satellite Network, instead of GlobalStar which has limited coverage or only 'near real time' coverage. Iridium has real time coverage around the world, no matter where you go.

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I wish there was another company out there with this type of product, but there isn't.


There are plenty. Two that use Iridium are spidertracks and Tracplus.

http://www.spidertracks.com
http://www.tracplus.co.nz

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courierguy wrote: You married guys??? It's a no brainer, a gotta have, and a way to let the old lady cut you loose while still keeping a handle on you, meowwwwww!

Now thats funny right there. I always had a good laugh at the fire station when the young guys like courierguy get married. Game over.

Those type of commits have a way of biting you in the ass.

Cheers...Rob
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ya know, rob, all those yrs as a fireman gave you a big dose of common sense! hard to find these days!

hope to see u at jc this yr, hopefully my skedule will allow...
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courierguy wrote: You married guys??? It's a no brainer, a gotta have, and a way to let the old lady cut you loose while still keeping a handle on you, meowwwwww!

Now thats funny right there. I always had a good laugh at the fire station when the young guys like courierguy get married. Game over.

Those type of commits have a way of biting you in the ass.

Cheers...Rob


Well,

I HAD a wife like that once....from 1970 to 1980. Don't have any of those problems with my wife of the last 29 years. We don't put "conditions" on our relationship, manipulate or try to control each other. We don't say "no" to one another. Never have, hope we never will. We don't own one another....we just love and support one another in our dreams and schemes. Truth is.... she is an angel and gets most of he credit. But she says she is "low maintenance", happy and wouldn't have it any other way.

My wife, my lover, my very best friend.

But for most guys Rob....your statement is unfortunately correct. :cry:

Have fun. Fly safe.

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I can't sleep and this has been on my mind, so I'm going to share.

June 12, 2006
It's early and Katie and I had just summited Mt Lindsey (14,042ft) the day before. That was our 7th 14er we climbed together and even though it was tougher than we expected, we endured and made it (it was also Katie's first experience with exposure and an ice axe).

Now it's early and we head off up the mountain, it's a little windy, but with a 7am start the day looks wonderful! Today are aiming for Challenger Point and Kit Carson Peak. We notice a truck in the parking lot and hoof our way up the Willow Lake Trail (which is still the prettiest trail I've been on in CO after 350+ miles of hiking). We take breaks and spend time at the lake, it's amazing and at 12k feet we are making good time. We pass a one man tent just below the lake where we also pass a dozen or so big horn sheep playing with their young ones in the mountain meadow.

Above the lake is where the real climb begins and after 6 miles and 4500 vert feet Katie isn't liking the exposure and loose rock. As we approach 13k feet, Katie decides she's had enough, it's not that she's tired, she's just not a fan of the steep loose rock and now the winds starting to pick up in the cloudless sky. I tell her to go down just above the lake and I'll meet her there, I have time and the weather is cooperating so we make a plan and I head on solo. I told her I'd be back in 2 hours, don't worry till 3 though.

On a burst on energy, I make my way up Challenger Point with little problem. Challenger Point (14,081ft) was dedicated to those who lost their lives on the Space Shuttle Challenger and there is a memorial plaque at the top marking the summit. From there I head down and around the Kit Carson Avenue, a 6ft wide path around the southern part of the peak with vertical cliffs 600ft above and almost 2000ft below. Other than he 50mph winds the avenue was a breeze (literally :wink: ). I check the time and it's going on 1.5 hours since I left Katie. I head up to the Kit Carson summit (14,165ft) and enjoy some of the best views CO 14ers offer, simply amazing (but windy). I sign my name after Doug Beach, who made the summit earlier that day (and a name I will never forget).

On the Kit Carson Ave (lower left) with the Prow (middle) and Crestone Peak (right).
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Challenger Point from the Kit Carson Ave with the San Luis Valley 7000ft below.
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Now that the joy was over I headed down to Katie. I underestimated how long it took and it was approaching 2.5hrs. I went back up to the summit of Challenger Point (an extra 900 vert feet) because it was the quickest way to get back to her, even though there was a nice couloir with a easy 1000ft decent on mushy corn snow for a quick way down to the lake.

I made it back to Katie at the 3 hour mark. She was sleeping right where I left her and she was happy to see me so we could head down. She said she had a great time taking in the views and I was glad to see her in good spirits. On the decent down I started to really feel the 3 14ers, 24 miles and over 13000 vertical feet and became exhausted. We made it back to the car right at dusk just in time to meet search and rescue coming up. Katie packed up some stuff and I talked to SAR and we headed back to town (I ran over a rock in HER Acura Integra :oops: on the way back to town and drained all the oil out of the pan. We were stuck in Crestone, CO for another 24 hours, but that's another story....)

Come to find out, Douglas Beach, a Navy Seal, WY firefighter, Black Belt, Father and Husband died while we were up there. We passed his truck (with a very detailed list of his plans on the dashboard), we passed his tent, and I'm sure I passed him twice somewhere up there. He died descending the NW slope, the spot with snow that I thought I could easily glissade down if I didn't have to re-climb Challenger Point for the 2nd time to meet up with Katie. SAR found his body two days later on the 14th.

If he had a SPOT, maybe he would still be alive. I could have been in his shoes without even thinking twice, the route he took looked very innocent. And it makes me think, by being prepared, sometimes the life you save may not be your own. I still think about the what if's and if he was still alive while we passed him later that day.

That was the first time I've "passed" a dead body on a mountain, there was a 2nd time since then, and I'm sure it won't be the last. My point is, being prepared has never hurt anyone. I've watched people die while trying to save their life, and it has impacted mine beyond belief (as I'm sure it has with Rob). I've also fallen down a loose rocky slope 200 ft and I have scars to remind me it can happen to anyone and it happens in a blink of an eye. But I won't stop doing what I love and Katie has never once asked me to stay at home because it's to dangerous. Life is to short to live in fear.

But, don't be stupid out there people. I still enjoy climbing today - solo - on peaks that are much more dangerous than Kit Carson, but I know my limits and take as many safety precautions (SPOT) that I can, because in the end, the mountains don't care.

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Wow Matt, just wow.
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Damn Matt..I got a nosebleed just reading where you climbed!
Sorry to hear about your fellow climber.
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"SPIDER TRACKS" . More expensive and not so portable but uses the Iridium network with pretty well 100% reliability any where on the globe. Our Airways Corporation rate it so highly they are subsidising its cost to GA here. If you are going to rely on something to maybe save your life it had better work.

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I received my SPOT 2 today and here's the update....


IT WORKS!

A big thanks to everyone here for rattling the cage and Mike Costa at SPOT. He made sure I had a new messenger and keep me updated everyday. Took it out of the box, updated my profile and within a few minutes I was tracking and sending messages. Also the SPOT 2 is very compact, almost half the size of the tracker and the extra features come in handy. No more guessing what mode you in. My old SPOT tracker was defective, no question about it. Just in time for the Marble trip too (hopefully wx corporates).

In the end I'm happy and I think I just dealt with a few bad eggs at SPOT. They made things right and it ended up working out in the end.

I couldn't have done it without you BCP! Thanks =D>


I'm updating the first post as well.

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mountainmatt wrote:I received my SPOT 2 today and here's the update....


IT WORKS!

A big thanks to everyone here for rattling the cage and Mike Costa at SPOT. He made sure I had a new messenger and keep me updated everyday. Took it out of the box, updated my profile and within a few minutes I was tracking and sending messages. Also the SPOT 2 is very compact, almost half the size of the tracker and the extra features come in handy. No more guessing what mode you in. My old SPOT tracker was defective, no question about it. Just in time for the Marble trip too (hopefully wx corporates).

In the end I'm happy and I think I just dealt with a few bad eggs at SPOT. They made things right and it ended up working out in the end.

I couldn't have done it without you BCP! Thanks =D>


I'm updating the first post as well.

Matt


I can't believe what a wuss you are. Can't you fly anywhere without your electronic gadgets. You probably have a cell phone too.
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Re: SPOT Tracker - I've just about had it!!!

RobBurson wrote:
mountainmatt wrote:I received my SPOT 2 today and here's the update....


IT WORKS!

A big thanks to everyone here for rattling the cage and Mike Costa at SPOT. He made sure I had a new messenger and keep me updated everyday. Took it out of the box, updated my profile and within a few minutes I was tracking and sending messages. Also the SPOT 2 is very compact, almost half the size of the tracker and the extra features come in handy. No more guessing what mode you in. My old SPOT tracker was defective, no question about it. Just in time for the Marble trip too (hopefully wx corporates).

In the end I'm happy and I think I just dealt with a few bad eggs at SPOT. They made things right and it ended up working out in the end.

I couldn't have done it without you BCP! Thanks =D>


I'm updating the first post as well.

Matt


I can't believe what a wuss you are. Can't you fly anywhere without your electronic gadgets. You probably have a cell phone too.
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Matt, Way to persevere! =D> Rob.... :lol: :lol: Your a funny guy.... :D :mrgreen:
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