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SPOT Tracker - I've just about had it!!! - Updated

5/26/10 UPDATE:

I received my SPOT 2 today and here's the update....


IT WORKS!

A big thanks to everyone here for rattling the cage and Mike Costa at SPOT. He made sure I had a new messenger and keep me updated everyday. Took it out of the box, updated my profile and within a few minutes I was tracking and sending messages. Also the SPOT 2 is very compact, almost half the size of the tracker and the extra features come in handy. No more guessing what mode you in. My old SPOT tracker was defective, no question about it. Just in time for the Marble trip too (hopefully wx corporates).

In the end I'm happy and I think I just dealt with a few bad eggs at SPOT. They made things right and it ended up working out in the end.

I couldn't have done it without you BCP! Thanks =D>


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1st off, SPOT customer service is terrible! If you happen to call 1-866-OK1-SPOT, expect to hold for 5-15 mintues, and then get someone like Mark, who doesn't care about you and your problem with his product.

So, here's the whole story. All I wanted for Christmas was a SPOT. Katie, my fiance, purchased one for me from Big 5 Sporting Goods and I had the joy of opening it on Christmas Day. It sat in the box for about 4 months until April 20, when I signed up for the basic plan and the GEOS service. I set up my profile on SPOT and was anxious to see little footprints start appearing tracking my progress.

It wasn't until 2 days later that my first track went through. I sent an OK message multiple times throughout the day, and finally one made it. Not amazing, but hey, it works. (I even went to the trouble of calling SPOT for the first time to see if I was doing things properly, and they sent me a detailed email about how to send an OK message, which I studied profusely.) So, I then sent a few more messages, and about 1/5 went through. Once again, not great, but it works. Even though I didn't have full confidence in the product, I figured it would be better to take it along on the BCP Caveman fly-in in case of an emergency. Even though it wasn't 100% reliable, it still worked enough that if I went down, it would do more good than sitting on my kitchen counter at home (or so I thought). And no cell service for 4 days, my family and friends could still see I'm ok, even if only 1 or 2 went through a day.

That morning I sent a message from my hangar, it went through. Great. I sent a message every hour or so from there on out. In total, a few messages went through, one at KGJT and one at mexican mountain. The last message went through on a hike in a canyon just north for the airstrip at mexican mountain. Then the thing completely STOPPED working since that message on May 5th. Thanks Tim for flying up and checking on me from Durango, and to all the guys tracking me here. But yeah, mine seems to make people more nervous than anything. My family and friends were freaking out too and I was lucky enough to call Katie at KCNY to tell her I was OK. (Total times I tried to send a SPOT message on the trip - est 30 times).

Now, I've called SPOT twice a week since the trip. They have given me the round around every time and it wasn't until I threatened to tell my story to every living soul on earth that they upgraded me to tracking. Tracking is a great feature for a working SPOT, but mine is NOT working. I have tried to send both tracking and OK messages every day since the trip (yes, I am that persistent!) and have achieved nothing. I have even went by Big 5 to see if I could exchange it, and JR the manager at Big 5 said no problem at all (finally some progress). But, with none in stock in the area, it was determined that there was a Big 5 recall on the SPOT. That was last night.

So, on my last nerve and fed up with spending endless amounts of time messing with my tracker and on the phone with SPOT, I called them one last time to see if they could help. Mark sent me through the basic questions and had me trying to send a message (no joy). After 10 minutes of getting nowhere, I told him about the possible easy fixes I have been told to do (new $3 lithium batteries, take them out and put them in, turn it off, turn it on, turn if off agian...) and those didn't work. I was told previously that I could get my money back and Mark's reply was "well why don't you?!", to my reply was "I need a product like this and can I talk to your supervisor about my problem". He said his supervisor would tell me the same thing he told me, which I replied "that's fine, I still want to talk to him". Mark, then explained to me that a supervisor doesn't answer phone calls right now and that he would have to call me back about my problem. My reply was "really!?, when can I expect a phone call concerning my problem", Mark's reply, "I don't know, could be a while". That was the end of the conversation.

So, here I am, sitting here today, about ready to scream. Mark's only help was to go to the SPOT website, fill out the warranty paperwork, send it in for them to test it, and if they can find an issue, they will replace it (like my word doesn't mean much). Now I'm spending MORE money on packing and shipping this product, and hopefully within a few weeks I can have a working SPOT. I'm sure you can express in my joy, especially when I was hoping to use this product on some upcoming flights, a camping trip, and a solo 14er climb next week (Yes, I'm the person that really needs a SPOT and its service).

This spot has already put me (and Katie) back about $215.00 and it has been nothing but a headache. I'll keep you updated on how this turns out. I'm all for giving people/companies a second chance, but this has gone to far in my opinion. Until something changes, SPOT will be bad mouthed about their faulty product and TERRIBLE customer service to everyone that will listen.

I just want to be the guy that uses and loves his SPOT (like so many of you!). All I want is a new working SPOT.

Matt
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Re: SPOT Tracker - I've just about had it!!!

Sorry to hear Matt. I hope it gets resolved. I've heard they've been having issues. Sucks too because it's one of the first things my wife wants to get me after I get a plane.
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I feel your pain, just not on this issue. I have had similar experiences and it sucks. The good news is the SPOT does work. Mine still works even though I half melted the back by sitting it over the Maule defroster vent. Did you know that vent can damn near melt steel. But I digress.

You have a defective one. Do what it takes to exchange it!

I think it would be great if all your buddies started calling and emailing SPOT demanding a replacement NOW!!!! NOW!!!! as you need it for the flying season, NOW!!!!I'll bet if 10 of us called everyday you will get one. We need you to PM us your name address and phone number so they can call you and let you know the replacement is on the way.

We need to emphasize that those of us calling have SPOTs and may go with another company if the service doesn't get better right now!

Let me know if I can help...Rob
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Hey Matt
Which spot you got. I'm still favoring the 1st generation ones. I have bought several for friends in the last 6 mos. with no known issues.

I've been buying them on ebay for under $100 including shipping.

If you've got 2nd generation and can get your money back, maybe try1st generation one.

Also heard they have a new one that interfaces with portable gps's??? so you can send a text from the field. But if they do, I would still wait to see how well it works.

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Sorry about the issues you're having with Spot, Matt.

I bought one (the old model, on a clearance through Amazon.com) about a month and a half ago. It's been working fine ... I had a couple of glitches in operation, but it was because I didn't thoroughly study the instructions. Bottom line, used according to directions it works fine, and it's been a big mental relief for my wife to be able to track me, and get "I'm OK" messages on arrival when I fly cross-country (which I do just about every week). There's no other product you can do that with other than a sat phone, and sat phone prices are much higher than Spot's.

Except that most sat phones don't have built in gps, or tracking, and don't have automatic call-in to either loved ones or SAR. You have to know which numbers to dial, and then dial'em and hope somebody answers. Those are not exactly guaranteed conditions in an emergency scenario.

A lot of folks bitch that a Spot is not a 406 Mhz plb .. well, duh ... it's not supposed to be. It serves a very different function, which is to keep your loved ones apprised of your location and that you're OK, or not. The only use for a 406 is in dire life-threatening emergencies, which for most people will hardly ever happen. A 406 plb is invaluable when you're in that situation, but that only means that for most of us, you need both tools in your flight bag to cover all the bases.

Sounds like you should get either a refund or an exchange from Spot, and like others recommend, go with the old model until they get the bugs worked out on the new one.

As for lousy customer service, unfortunately that seems to be the case for more consumer products and services than not. We all hate the attitude you get from the bad CS reps. You might try writing a letter, and give them the specifics (time you called, the CS rep's name, description of your issue). Maybe they'll can his ass and hire better CS reps.
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Matt, welcome to the wonderful world of SPOT. Your experience is quite common, do a Google search on SPOT complaints. I've had two of the units, both were junk. Both 1st generation. If you have a problem that requires customer service, well, that's your problem as far as SPOT is concerned. It's a top down and bottom up problem with anything associated with Global Star. First, they tell you that you are obviously ignorant, then they send you on a wild goose chase, and finally they tell you to just live with it. I decided that if they can't do something as simple as customer service right, I would not want to count on them to make the right decisions if my life was on the line. Better competing products that use the Irdium constellation are on the way, and they will work all the time just like the Iridium phones. Get a PLB in case you really have an emergency.
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sorry yours sucks matt. i have the old school one, which i wear on my body while flying, in the unlikely event that i gotta go down unplanned. i know of a lot more people happy with their units than not. i really dont care that much about being tracked, but i do like the emergency features. sure did save one of my favorite instructors from demise last year.( Art Lazzarini ) i would just get it swapped out for another and keep on truckin'...
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Re: SPOT Tracker - I've just about had it!!!

Thanks guys.

I do have the 1st gen tracker. I wish there was another company out there with this type of product, but there isn't.

The customer service problem gets under my skin the most. I do have to give Big 5 a thumbs up for bending over backwards to help me out, no questions asked.
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mountainmatt wrote: I wish there was another company out there with this type of product, but there isn't.


ACR is pushing into some of the SPOT functionality. It doesn't provide the interval tracking that SPOT does, but it does allow OK messages, and is actually a 406mHz PLB.

http://www.406link.com/
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Re: SPOT Tracker - I've just about had it!!!

When I read this, I'm glad that I haven't bought the SPOT yet. :shock:
What had kept me away from purchasing it till now, was the confusing display of the tracks on the SPOT site, where all tracks are displayed simply as one large list, instead of separate flights. I also missed the display of speed, altitude and heading. Features, which are still missing, as far as I know!?

I liked very much the tracking device which they have used in 'Ice Pilots'. It was one of this company, but I don't know which exact model: http://latitudetech.info/products/udg100/ They don't look cheap, though. :cry:
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A cheap method of tracking on moving maps that I've seen working well on trucks in the middle of nowhere is APRS. It's a 2 meter ham radio jobby with a small add on box that connects to your gps. Check out the links for more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_ ... ing_System
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In its simplest implementation, APRS is used to transmit real-time data, information and reports of the exact location of a person or object via a data signal sent over amateur radio frequencies. In addition to real-time position reporting capabilities using attached Global Positioning System receivers, APRS is also capable of transmitting a wide variety of data, including weather reports, short text messages, radio direction finding bearings, telemetry data, short e-mail messages (send only) and storm forecasts. Once transmitted, these reports can be combined with a computer and mapping software to show the transmitted data superimposed with great precision upon a map display.

While the map plotting is the most visible feature of APRS, the text messaging capabilities and local information distribution capabilities combined with the robust network should not be overlooked; the New Jersey Office of Emergency Management has an extensive network of APRS stations to allow text messaging between all of the county Emergency Operating Centers in the event of the failure of conventional communications.
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Here is the product I am interested in Iridium SHOUT, price is a bit high at $1500. I'm betting based on SPOT's success and shortcomings they will come in with a lower priced version to go head to head. Based on my success in using their phones, I'm betting this thing works anytime, all the time, anywhere.


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Folks,

Are we men or mice? Are we interested in playing with "magic box technology" or flying airplanes? Do we seek adventure or a basinett of safety? Why in the world does everyone anymore seem to think that they need to be in constant contact with the universe? Cell phones, text messages, email, Spot trackers, even Flight Following. It's nuts. Everyone has to update everyone from the potty to the bedroom. Sheesh....

Look if I crashed in the middle of nowhere and had a couple of broken legs....I'd sure hope that someone could find me. O.K.? I ain't gonna lie about that. But....beyond my professional career of 40 years, which is now over....I fly airplanes to get the hell away from the world. VFR, no flight plan, no flight following, no unrequired radio comunication, sure as hell don't have my wife tracking me with a computer. I don't even want ATC to know where I am going or why.

Who wants to take all the adventure out of flight anyway. My soul soars when I land at some Idaho backcountry airport and get this.....hold your breath now: (no one even knows that I am there.) Wow...that is freedom. If we are afraid to fly, afraid to have a bit of an adventure, afraid to head out into the unknown and be unknown....then gents and ladies, your are missing the whole point. Throw the damned thing out of the window...grab a sectional, a mag compass and GO FLYING!!

If folks want to play with "boxes" and be in constant contact then I'd suggest staying safe at home with a computer and fly around with Google Earth.

Yeah. Getting old and grumpy I guess. But damn it...I am still having fun and am not afraid of the dark. :roll:

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Are you married Bob?




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I have gotten rid of all that stuff. I just hire another pilot with plane to follow me arround. If I get in trouble, he calls the mounties. :wink: :wink:

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Good Day Matt,

Thank you for contacting Spot Customer Care.

We deeply apologize for the frustration that you have encountered both with your Spot device and with our Customer Care Team.
In reviewing your issues, we have determined that you would benefit greatly from an updated Spot Satellite Messenger (Spot2)
The information you have provided regarding the performance of your device is certainly not ideal.
When used properly, you should have been able to receive many more messages than you have reported.
We believe that our newer Spot Satellite Messenger will offer you greatly improved reliability and performance.
You will not be charged for the new device.
In order to ship the device to you, we wish to confirm your billing address.

We have also left you a voice message regarding this issue.
If you could kindly reply to this e-mail or contact us directly to confirm your shipping address, it would be greatly appreciated.

If you contact us by phone, please request to speak to Mike at extension 6938.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards,
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Some progress finally.

I certainly don't need a SPOT 2, but if it works, I'll take it.

And Bob, I'm planning on using the SPOT for much more than flying. But I hear your message loud and clear. I've climbed 67 14ers, most of those being solo (some in the winter/spring with ice axes and crampons - solo). I've taken 1000+ mile dirt bike trips, solo. I fly over the Rockies to UT and ID, solo. I've wheeled some of the hardest trails in CO and UT, solo. I backpack multi-day trips, solo. I know and understand the "getting away from distractions" feeling very well, but when I'm standing solo on a loose rock 2ft wide ridge with nothing but air 1600ft below, I start to worry about safety and someone finding my body. My family and friends aren't pushing for a SPOT, I am. ;)

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Mountianmatt:,

You have earned my apologies. I understand your legitimate concern. It's just that I always wondered how our forefather's braved the world without all this "techie" help. Cris Columbus got so lost that he found the New World. Lewis and Clark were gone "up the Missouri" for a couple of years, without even a carrier pigeon. Lucky Lindy did it all by his lonesome: my uncles went to war and were not heard from for months at a time, Navy task forces of scores of ships, roamed the Pacific for days at a time, without being in contact with anyone, during WW-2. My desire has always been to be more like them than like us.

Best wishes to you ....and may you never have a need for that Spot.

And to who ever asked....yes I am married, to the greatest woman on earth and have five adult children. Diane is pretty as can be, supports me in all my crazy shenanigans, never gives me a "honey do" list, doesn't nag, I cook and she cleans up....best of all she has even learned to enjoy hiking/backpacking and camping in the wilds of southern, Utah's canyonland.

Have fun guys. We all do it our own way. I am just stuck in my time, some might say in the past.

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Damn Matt I envy you..done some of that stuff myself..when I could! Do it while you can..it may not be possible later in life..just let those who care know where you might be going if you might get into trouble..either of your own making or not. Spent a lot of time in those Rockies climbing, skiing, Jeeping and motorcycling mostly by myself. There is something to relying on yourself on those adventures you love to do. A spot is a good thing (if it works)..there were a lot of folks here keeping track of you just as we did for Rob in Nevada. I'm sure if you guys had really had problems we would do whatever it took to get you help..we care!
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I think you will get a working one now. Cheers...Rob
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z3skybolt wrote:And to who ever asked....yes I am married, to the greatest woman on earth and have five adult children. Diane is pretty as can be, supports me in all my crazy shenanigans, never gives me a "honey do" list, doesn't nag, I cook and she cleans up....best of all she has even learned to enjoy hiking/backpacking and camping in the wilds of southern, Utah's canyonland.

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Bob,

I still read your report about flying around the perimeter of the country with your son in the Maule. I have it saved on my laptop and sometimes find myself on a 13 hr. leg in the Gulfstream bored to tears and re-read it to knock out some time. I admire how you speak about your wife and family and friends along the way. You should share it here again someday, theres a lot of new faces browsing around. We'd love to see some photos as well if you ever get the time. Are you still toiling around Natural Bridges??

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