At the risk of being flamed by the Fosso fanboys I present exhibit A: https://bushliner.com/aircraft/experimental-bushliner-1850-formerly-cyclone/

Is there any chance one of these kits will be produced in the next 5 years? I’d love to be wrong but I’m probably not.

If you have too many irons in the fire, sometimes none of them get very hot.
Jim Richmond rebuilt supercubs for many years,
he was well known & well regarded for that long before the Top Cub & Carbon Cub came along.
Seems like Bushliner would want to take a similar route and concentrate on building their business of "remanufacturing" skywagons,
after they have that down pat then think about branching into experimental kits.
I think they'd have plenty of business just doing the rebuilds once they have completed enough airplanes to establish a reputation.

hotrod180 wrote:If you have too many irons in the fire, sometimes none of them get very hot.
Jim Richmond rebuilt supercubs for many years,
he was well known & well regarded for that long before the Top Cub & Carbon Cub came along.
Seems like Bushliner would want to take a similar route and concentrate on building their business of "remanufacturing" skywagons,
after they have that down pat then think about branching into experimental kits.
I think they'd have plenty of business just doing the rebuilds once they have completed enough airplanes to establish a reputation.

Good point. Kenmore Air has been rebuilding beavers to a very high level for 40 years now. As a consequence there’s now more work than we have talented/experienced bodies to do it with.

I would love to have one.... A 185 without the certification costs? Who wouldn't?
The impending recession should clear out the weak.
I would imagine the market for $500-$600k toys will be severly limited in 5 years.
We shall see if young Kyle makes it through to the other side.

Anybody heard of anything going on with Bushliner yet? Really curious if they've made any headway...

Haven’t seen him since last year when he held a small fly in that was fun. No idea if it will ever take off for them, but I will say that the quality of the work is impressive. They had a great mockup of the cabin at Osh last year.

Halestorm wrote:Anybody heard of anything going on with Bushliner yet? Really curious if they've made any headway...

I do not believe they are started building a single one as of yet. Personally - if I had 700K. I am buying a Turbine Murphy Moose with a PT6-20 engine. This is their competition now - I think the Turbine Moose has incredible performance. I believe there are several orders for these airplanes. I also think the Bushliner cost will be closer to 700-800K all in. The IO580 is an interesting upgrade mod but hard to beat a Turbine engine.



Josh

Dog is my Copilot wrote:

Halestorm wrote:Anybody heard of anything going on with Bushliner yet? Really curious if they've made any headway...

I do not believe they are started building a single one as of yet. Personally - if I had 700K. I am buying a Turbine Murphy Moose with a PT6-20 engine. This is their competition now - I think the Turbine Moose has incredible performance. I believe there are several orders for these airplanes. I also think the Bushliner cost will be closer to 700-800K all in. The IO580 is an interesting upgrade mod but hard to beat a Turbine engine.



Josh

^this

How many Wagons has Bushliner actually rebuilt? We know of the one that was in the thread on this site, but are there anymore?

For $700 to $800k, I can think of a few other planes I'd rather have, than an experimental 185.

StillLearning wrote:How many Wagons has Bushliner actually rebuilt? We know of the one that was in the thread on this site, but are there anymore?

There were 2 in total, mine and another one.

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The one I don’t get, with how trendy bush flying has become, with everyone and their uncle making a clone of the PA18 and with what folks will sell a carbon cub for

Why doesn’t Piper relaunch the PA-18? Add in some glass, LEDs, maybe update the engine and prop?

Or Cessna relaunch the C185, or even just the C140 with some modern polishing

I’d think they’d sell much better than their attempts with that Piper sport cruiser thing or the Cessna 162

NineThreeKilo wrote: Why doesn’t Piper relaunch the PA-18? Add in some glass, LEDs, maybe update the engine and prop?

There's a little operation out west called cubcrafters that bought the PA18 type certificate and did exactly that.

If Cessna sells one CJ jet than that out dollar sales all of the piston lineup. they don't care..

even the 206 HD had no physical upgrade to the 206 for 200lbs GW.. they won't fix the rear door getting stuck on the flaps (very easy to modify). and recently got a new plastic interior along with its price increase..

if they cared about backcountry guys they'd at least sell a backcountry version of the 182 and 206, lightweight interior, bigger tires, but they won't..

asa wrote: There's a little operation out west called cubcrafters that bought the PA18 type certificate and did exactly that.

I believe Piper still owns the PA18 TCDS (#1A2).
Cub Crafters got their own TCDS in 2004 for their CC18-180 Top Cub TCDS (#A00006SE),
but after they got going on their carbon cubs the Top Cub TCDS was sold in about 2015 to a chinese outfit.
FAA shows the current owner of that TCDS as Topcub Aircraft Inc of Portland Oregon.
Four or five years ago, an assembly plant was built on the Arlington WA airport KAWO,
rumored to be for building TopCubs, but that operation never materialized,
The building is currently being used by Vashon Aircraft to assemble their Ranger LSA's.

hotrod180 wrote:

asa wrote: There's a little operation out west called cubcrafters that bought the PA18 type certificate and did exactly that.

I believe Piper still owns the PA18 TCDS (#1A2).
Cub Crafters got their own TCDS in 2004 for their CC18-180 Top Cub TCDS (#A00006SE),
but after they got going on their carbon cubs the Top Cub TCDS was sold in about 2015 to a chinese outfit.
FAA shows the current owner of that TCDS as Topcub Aircraft Inc of Portland Oregon.
Four or five years ago, an assembly plant was built on the Arlington WA airport KAWO,
rumored to be for building TopCubs, but that operation never materialized,
The building is currently being used by Vashon Aircraft to assemble their Ranger LSA's.

You're right. Cubcrafters produced 75 certified PA18's from 1999-2004 under Piper's TC, but never owned it. Then the FAA made it harder for them to do that so they released the Top Cub CC18 under their own new type certificate. Pretty cool story here:
http://pilotgetaways.com/custpdfs/cubcr ... topcub.pdf

Check again, the website is up and working for me. https://www.bushliner.com
RC

I was a Bushliner's facility last week and personally saw the first on the new wings under construction.

asa wrote:...........You're right. Cubcrafters produced 75 certified PA18's from 1999-2004 under Piper's TC, but never owned it. Then the FAA made it harder for them to do that so they released the Top Cub CC18 under their own new type certificate. Pretty cool story here:
http://pilotgetaways.com/custpdfs/cubcr ... topcub.pdf

Great article, thanks for posting.
IMHO it's a shame that CC quit producing the Top Cub.
And also that the TCDS's new owner's plans to start manufacturing them again at KAWO didn't work out.

jugheadF15 wrote:I was a Bushliner's facility last week and personally saw the first on the new wings under construction.

So have they given up on rebuilding ("remanufacturing") factory Cessnas,
and will be strictly concentrating on the Cyclone experimentals?