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tired of getting started (login session issue)

I get on this site about once or twice a week. Just about every other time I have to sign in. No other forums require this. How many others have this issue.

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Re: tired of getting started

Tim,
The forum rarely asks me to sign in. Maybe you are lucky in love but not here? Not so bad...
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Re: tired of getting started

I access the forum on two devices, pretty much randomly. I have to sign on at least once a week on the iPad. Less frequently on the PC, but still happens.

When I have to sign on with the iPad, after signing on, I have to exit the site, clear it from memory, then open it again to be able to go ANYwhere on the site.....buttons don’t work till I exit and come back.

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Re: tired of getting started

Double post....I think Zane was reading as I posted, and tricked me.... :roll: :lol:

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Re: tired of getting started

I was about to post a thread about this too. Seems like it doesn't like to stay logged in, even checking the
"remember me" box.
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Re: tired of getting started

I've been trying to solve the problem for years. As long as your browser process doesn't get quit, "Remember Me" generally works. I go weeks without having to login.

But on mobile device operating systems, the application memory management is such that your browser process will get cycled without any involvement from you, and your session is killed.

For some reason our "Remember Me" function doesn't work right to find your cookie and automatically resume the session.

There's also a performance hit the server takes with tracking thousands of user sessions in the database. If I don't limit it somewhat, eventually the server starts lagging hard. I don't have Facebook money to compensate for that with server power.

Make sure your bookmarks, if you use them, use "https" and not just "http." Sometimes that will destroy a cookie when bouncing between protocols, as first accessing with http will redirect you to https. This is the secure, encrypted transport protocol.

Now, the response you don't want to hear: I don't know if this will be solved in this incarnation of BCP. Nor do I really want to devote that many cycles to fixing it when I'm looking to upgrade the entire site.

The best option, especially for 2021 and modern cybersecurity best practice, is to use a password manager like OnePassword or Bitwarden (this is what I use.) One or two clicks, and your login and password are autofilled and you're in. You shouldn't be using the same password for all your websites anyway. One of them gets hacked and your email/password are now in the hands of hackers who will then go try it on your online banking site.

A password manager lets you auto-generate a long complex password that you'll never have to remember. You just remember a single master password (never used for a website) and that's all you have to remember.

It's not a fix but it IS a solution.
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Re: tired of getting started (login session issue)

Sometimes I get the "get started" reception too.
I just realized that it may be after I've used my cellphone to get on BCP--
usually I use my laptop.
In any event, this site saves my user name & password--
I just hit "remember me" and the log-in button and I'm good to go.
Not that big a deal.
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Re: tired of getting started (login session issue)

For what it's worth, I've been trying to help troubleshoot a similar issue on another site. Turns out that people who use the "default" Safari browser on their iPhones and iPads find themselves constantly having to login, whereas the exact same device using the Chrome browser (logged in to their Google ID and with "synch" turned on) do NOT experience the issue.

I haven't tested it with BCP, because I don't have the issue – possibly because I rarely access BPC from my iPhone or iPad... On the iMac, both Safari and Chrome seem to keep me logged in for months at a time.
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tired of getting started (login session issue)

I feel your pain, Zane.

My board is on a very old version of Vbulletin. I have to migrate the database to a newer software version someday and it's almost unbearable thinking of all the effort required.
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Re: tired of getting started (login session issue)

Something from another forum that may (or may not) be pertinent to the discussion...

On "another forum", I found that if I used my iPhone or iPad and connect to the site I would be forced to login each time, even if I selected "keep me logged in"... Digging a bit deeper, we realized that I was just typing the forum name in the url field, without the leading "http://" or "https://". The browser's resolution engine would first try to connect to the non-secure "http://..." version of the site. That other forum site would accept connections to the "http" (non-secure) site, then redirect those connections to the secure site (https)...

And it seems that this "redirect" action somehow triggers a security feature in the iOS browser to suspect a malicious redirect, and it would not provide the session token to that "potentially malicious" site, thus a new login would be required...

The "end-user" solution for that forum was as simple as just changing the url you typed into the iPhone or iPad browser to include the "https://" (secure form) in the url field. (Be sure to check any bookmarked links for the HTTPS as well!)

A potential longer-term solution being considered would be to remove the "http://" redirection to the "https://" site... Basically disabling and removing all references to the non-secure site. (Note - as far as I know, this has not been proven, one way or the other, at this point. Just something that is being thought through.)

Oddly enough, that other forum would work fine with both Chrome and Safari on the iMac, regardless of typing the secure or non-secure name in the URL field...
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Re: tired of getting started (login session issue)

I don’t find it that onerous and it serves as a reasonable “bot” test for the site. :wink:
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Re: tired of getting started (login session issue)

Really two mouse clicks is all that??
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