Terry wrote:A buddy and I landed on the other side of some tall trees from a major highway and moments later a car came smoking in…..u guys ok?

skyward II wrote:

Flyhound wrote:

stretch wrote:Either way not sure landing in a neighborhood is the hill I’d pick to die on. Banging on about liberty aside, my flying sits on a thick thick bed of public acceptance. A bit of manners goes a long way.

This is essentially why I posted this to begin with. What our planes are capable of and what the letter of the law seems to allow should not be the only things we think about when considering an off-airport landing. Like a lot of you, I do my off airport stuff WAYYYYYYYY away from any eyes that might be offended. I do look at some of the perfect lawns at State Parks around me and I may land on one of those when I'm ready to give up flying, but in the meantime, I'm probably over conservative on where I choose to put my plane down. I don't like conflict, so I tend to avoid doing something that could generate conflicts unnecessarily.

From the addresses provided in the FAA's ruling, Trent was considering landing at 300 Desert Sun Lane, in Reno. The complaint was filed by the resident at 400 Desert Sun Lane. I created the picture below on Google Maps. Even if the homeowner had invited me to land on his property and even if I had the skills and the plane to do it safely, I would have turned him down. Despite the large lots, the other houses are just too close to make a landing, or an inspection pass without the likelihood of angering at least 1 neighbor. My experience is that folks that don't fly resent any aviation noise, whether it is created lawfully or not.

Regardless of how this ultimately turns out, (AOPA's video suggests this will be appealed) someone is going to be bummed by the result. There are so many places we can fly, land and camp without creating conflicts this just seems unnecessary. Heck, Trent's probably lucky the adjacent landowner didn't shoot at him given the events of last week with people pulling into the wrong driveway.

Oh, yeah… landing/approaching there is asking for trouble. He found it.

Never saw a pic until now.

That’s not exactly down town NYC

Buying a house near other homes in bumfuck Egypt and having a Karen meltdown at a bush plane or a dirt bike or something, I’d say if that’s a big issue should have built away from other country life humans

Terry wrote:How is he asking for trouble? I can only think of a few reasons I wouldn’t land on someone’s property and there is nothing in that photo that would make me think twice about it.
Seems legit to me, unless we are letting Karen decide. How could we ever play that game.
I’ve landed at several job sites that we have worked on, at least 2 were bordering city limits and I didn’t see any grey areas about doing it.
A buddy and I landed on the other side of some tall trees from a major highway and moments later a car came smoking in…..u guys ok? Thought you crashed, yep I crashed and my buddy crashed right behind me.
I guess my point is I don’t think we should others limit what we do if it’s legal. You can’t keep everyone happy all the time.
I do think he was probably buzzing a buddy’s house and should man up.
With AOPA’s lawyers involved he can’t quite now.
If he would have landed we most likely would have never heard about it and neighbor Karen would be pissing in the wind.
Cheers

Rob wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:

Rob wrote:

So the original 120 day suspension was knocked down to 60 days?
I think I would have taken that as a win and just quit while I was ahead.
BTW thanks for posting this Rob.

Zzz wrote:Seriously, guys. Lay off Karen. She was a sweet, cute girl and has a special place in my heart from middle school. I hate that meme...

Zzz wrote:Seriously, guys. Lay off Karen. She was a sweet, cute girl and has a special place in my heart from middle school. I hate that meme...

clippwagon wrote:

Zzz wrote:Seriously, guys. Lay off Karen. She was a sweet, cute girl and has a special place in my heart from middle school. I hate that meme...

Haha! This reminded me of naming our kids. There were some names that were an absolute “no go” because of experiences with the same named people in my past. Then there were others that I really really like which only made my wife suspicious…

Mapleflt wrote: Given the friendship Mr. Palmer shared with the landowner why didn't he "walk" the intended landing area. This friendship would indicate too me that accessibility wasn't a factor as it would be with a "virgin" off-site strip location.

courierguy wrote: Yup, safe and easy enough for his plane, but it fails my own sniff test, as to "is someone going to bitch?" I've been landing off airport for 51 years, starting with hang gliders and then UL's. I flew for a long time before ever landing or taking off at an airport. A huge part of doing it successfully (meaning, not having to deal with someone getting their panties in a wad) is resisting the temptation to make a landing that is easy enough...., but may result in blowback. It's every bit of a skill as actual stick and rudder skills. The trickiest and most challenging thing can be to not NOT make multiple passes first to "check it out" as that just draws more attention, but to scope it out at a distance and then commit to the landing, that's why I've flown with binoculars for years. Too many potential Karen's, with cell phone cameras, in that pic for my tastes.

sierrasplitter wrote:And that brings me to my weekend.... <snip>
Can you tell me anywhere else in the world you would be allowed to do that ?

low rider wrote:(No respect). …….. edited because I started going down the wrong rabbit hole

Zzz wrote:Seriously, guys. Lay off Karen. ...

Zzz wrote:Seriously, guys. Lay off Karen. She was a sweet, cute girl and has a special place in my heart from middle school. I hate that meme...

sierrasplitter wrote:
Wow, you dont give up do you?

I come to this discussion as someone who didnt spend years in aviation . I learned to fly because the FAA said I needed a Real Pilots License to fly my toy and make money. I could have throw a bitch , and yes I thought it was a bit ridiculous but we all were pretty cowboy in our approach to the sky.
Then videos started showing up of some yahoo filming an airbus on final approach and the FAA put their foot down

And that brings me to my weekend. I flew across what I believe is the most busiest airspace in the world...... The Los Angeles Basin. I then proceeded into what is most likely the hottest military airspace in the world. The Edwards Airspace, Joshua Approach.
March Airbase was having its annual Airshow, Jumpers at Mojave and every kind of Navy/ Marine aircraft in the area at all altitudes and speeds.
I was on my way to a dry lakebed in a 100 mph cloth aircraft as was allowed to go along my merry way.
All I had to do is Check in with Joshua Approach.
Can you tell me anywhere else in the world you would be allowed to do that ?
I even got my plane in a pic right next to an F-18.
Maybe its because I havent spent my life doing this but I really dont see an issue with the FAA. And yes, I have had a couple of in depth discussions with them and the NTSB over a slightly bent aircraft ( Mine of course )