The last few days i was out in our 1969 172K with a 180hp and vg's and was landing in according to google maps 533ft and taking off in the same. And that was with one person and full fuel. And on takeoff set the flaps to about the same down travel as the ailerons, about 15-20 deg


Tom

nmflyguy wrote:Sorry, Hotrod, nobody buys that tired old - and terribly wrongheaded - cliche you repeated that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". A terrorist terrorizes innocent, defenseless civilians. A freedom fighter conducts military operations against other military forces. There's no overlap or mistaking the one from the other, period.......

My comments were made with tongue firmly in cheek. I agree with your above statement, but I'm sure that (right or wrong) these modern-day terrorists do view themselves as fredom fighters. And view relief workers as part of an invading/occupying force. And feel that "if you're not with us, you're against us". And feel that there are no innocents or neutrals in their religious jihad.

The guerrillas are concerned for the common farmer fishermen ect. Just not any gov. official or us so called rich "American capitalist". They believe it this because they have been lied to. Hitler said that "if you tell someone lots of little lies you can make them believe one big lie".

Reuben