I remember reading an article back in the early 90's about an experimental category offering of a kit roughly based on a Cessna 210 (while Cessna production was on hiatus). One of the Rutans reportedly approached the kit company at an exhibition, looked at the apparent C 210, copy and demanded (something to the effect of) "What is the meaning of this?"

The seller's rationale was that it was a relatively safe and useful design, in the public domain, and that there was a need for a newer, safer, workhorse to be filled since Cessna and other high cost manufacturers could not.

I cannot recall seeing one of them flying around and cannot find reference to it via internet search? Does anyone remember it?

Was it the Super Stallion??? http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/acft6/63.htm

Martin Hollmann was the designer. He was a composite design guru. I say was, because he passed away in 2012. I actually took a weekend course in composite construction from him back in the day. If you are interested, the design rights are for sale:

http://www.aircraftdesigns.com/

Cool looking plane. But the numbers are off. 3800 lb GW, 2200 EW, and 1100 useful. Those don't add up. 180 Gallons of fuel would make that thing a heck of a tanker!

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I remember that airplane, saw it at Oshkosh one year, I was impressed, what a great traveler that thing would have been.

I built a Stallion and successfully test flew it through the 40 hours. Then flew it a bit more and got an offer I just could just not refuse so I sold it.

My Stallion had the wings entirely wet; 232 gallons total; I know -- I walked up a ladder with a 5 gallon can 45 x 5 times to calibrate my fuel gauges.

The plane did an honest 185 knots at 8,000 ft; that's with gear doors that I designed inspired from Lancair. Set my gross at 4,000 and my evil twin brother Timmy once took off with a few more hundred pounds. Would have been a great cross country plane....

When imagining about range, etc. note that there was a cabin max. of 1,100 lbs. in addition to the other usual constraints.

Blue skies,

Tommy

SixTwoLeemer wrote:Was it the Super Stallion??? http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/acft6/63.htm

You nailed it on the first attempt.

I am glad that I asked the question and therefore read up on and refreshed my knowledge of Martin Hollman. It is interesting to trace his influence forward through Lance Niebaur and others.

http://www.aircraftdesigns.com/

TommyN wrote:I built a Stallion and successfully test flew it through the 40 hours. Then flew it a bit more and got an offer I just could just not refuse so I sold it.

An interesting story.

Do you have photos that you can show us?

Do you know the history of the aircraft after you sold it?

Flyhound wrote:Martin Hollmann was the designer. He was a composite design guru. I say was, because he passed away in 2012. I actually took a weekend course in composite construction from him back in the day. If you are interested, the design rights are for sale:

http://www.aircraftdesigns.com/

He was an interesting man and accomplished some impressive engineering feats.

I am curious to know if his ceramic and composite armor ideas/designs from the early 80's ended up in modern armored fighting vehicles like the Stryker and recent generation Bradley.

It would be engaging to see someone buy those rights and try to push it forward with improved composite knowledge, recent engines, and avionics. But it is not for me. I'd want Bill Gates type money to start dabbling in aircraft production because that is the fastest way to end up a millionaire in aviation. If AVIC has to move as slowly as it does on the Sportsman, it is a lesson to me. Interestingly, Textron/Cessna might actually be a good home for it. The only "new" things Cessna has in its current small GA aircraft product offerings are the composite models that Lance N. designed and they purchased (so they have some remote lineage back to Martin H.).

One of his relatives has apparently posted a video of Martin in the Super Stallion on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VbgZJj_aqw

Bushtrimmer asked:

An interesting story.

Do you have photos that you can show us?
>>>> I have tons of build photos but not a lot of the plane because I was in the cockpit. Will try to dig some up....

Do you know the history of the aircraft after you sold it?
>>>> I sold it to a Mexican company. During the sale I interfaced with their pilots -- both Mexican and American. They seemed to be serious pilots. About 3 months after I sold it, the broker came to me with the nose gear all mangled in a cardboard box. He even had a video of the NG collapsing on what looked like a landing on a long but very narrow runway. It seemed like the plane was about to stop and the gear collapsed. The NG was the same as on the Lancair IV & ES in terms of its shimmy damper and there were a number of those which went into severe shimmy and collapsed. I rebuilt the NG and beefed it up in the area where it bent and broke. They paid me and that was the last I ever heard of the plane. I should try to find the XB number and see if I can track it down.

Blue skies,

Tom

Bushtrimmer wrote:

One of his relatives has apparently posted a video of Martin in the Super Stallion on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VbgZJj_aqw

This was posted by Rita Costa Hollmann, the widow of Martin Hollmann. I have been helping Rita to sell the Stallion prototype and design and manufacturing rights.

The Stallion prototype is the one shown in the video. I flew up to Monterrey a few months ago and the plane is in amazingly good condition as it has always been hangared. Rita is willing to sell N408S separately from the design and manufacturing rights. It would be a great buy for someone who has done homebuilts and particularly for an A&P, as he/she could do your own annuals. The plane has not flown in a number of years so the IO-550-G might need some work...

Best,

Tom