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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

Corefile:

They came out of 2 diffrent airplanes and I wish I could tell you. We got one with the plane and the other we bought from Peter at Skywagon City. Just as the one gent posted about the 2 diffrent styles. You want to go with the first generation like my cousin did because the second generation are 15 to 20 pounds heavier. Our grandfather had the second generation in his '55 180 but he got a real good deal on them at Sun and Fun $30 each! That wa in the early '90's.

Good luck and keep it light.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

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flyingzebra wrote:When rebuilding 206 seats we ditched the springs and used Ceconite. It was way lighter and much more comfortable but a weird unexpected side effect was that you sat significantly higher. We actually had to shift the whole radio stack down in order to see it all and not have it blocked by the glare shield.
I'm also curious if it's possible to switch the old round back seats for square backs? I've got a '54 Wagon and want to switch. Any idea if that's doable?
Carry on and keep the pics coming!!


Ceconite itself should put you lower if anything over the springs, sounds like the foam they built up on the Ceconite was tall. Foam can be built up to any thickness desired, if you don't have an articulating seat perhaps building up some different sample thicknesses is in order to avoid having to move ones radios around.

It's so satisfying throwing away those old seat springs, just threw some away the other day, good times!

Sam


The springs give, allowing you to sink into (through) the frame, whereas the fabric, well shrunk, doesn't allow you to sink in at all, or at least very little. I replaced the springs on my Cub's seat back with fabric, and it moved me significantly forward, and I had to move the seat aft to accomodate.

As to articulating seats, bear in mind that they are maintenance hogs (mostly because dumb ass passengers grab the tops to yard themselves up out of the rear seats, and because dumb ass pilots get in their seat, then push against the seat back to re-arrange their undies, thus breaking the roll pins) AND, they are HEAVY mothers.

At one point, we were trying to lighten up a 206 amphib, and removed the articulating seats and replaced with the fixed seats. I forget what the weight savings was, but it was substantial.

I'd stick with the fixed seats.

MTV

After redoing my front seats with bladders I had the same thing happen. Now I sit noticeably higher in the airplane.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

robw56 wrote:After redoing my front seats with bladders I had the same thing happen. Now I sit noticeably higher in the airplane.


Im right there with Rob... After I tossed my springs, I also sit much higher. Not an issue for me as I have articulating seats. I have them cranked all the way down but feel like my position is perfect.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

be nice if you could be part of the seat build. to get the right amount of foam for you. i had a citabria once i had to take the seat and back foam out and cut down by half. apparantly a vertically challanged pilot had it before me.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

Quickdraw1 wrote:Corefile:

They came out of 2 diffrent airplanes and I wish I could tell you. We got one with the plane and the other we bought from Peter at Skywagon City. Just as the one gent posted about the 2 diffrent styles. You want to go with the first generation like my cousin did because the second generation are 15 to 20 pounds heavier. Our grandfather had the second generation in his '55 180 but he got a real good deal on them at Sun and Fun $30 each! That wa in the early '90's.

Good luck and keep it light.


is there a cut off year for First Generation vs. Second Generation seats? trying to narrow down the options for donor's.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

The first gen articulating seats started in '59 on the 180 and my best guess is in the early to mid '70's gen 2 was introduced. When on the hunt for your seats try not to get suck on years because Cessna introduced them to the line (172, 182, 206 and etc) at different times. Just make sure they have a leaver on the side and a crank in the front because Cessna made a seat that just tilted back with a crank.

They did not make it easy.

I hope this helps.
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Quickdraw1 wrote:The first gen articulating seats started in '59 on the 180 and my best guess is in the early to mid '70's gen 2 was introduced. When on the hunt for your seats try not to get suck on years because Cessna introduced them to the line (172, 182, 206 and etc) at different times. Just make sure they have a leaver on the side and a crank in the front because Cessna made a seat that just tilted back with a crank.

They did not make it easy.

I hope this helps.


The later articulating seats have two cranks on the front of the seat....one to raise/lower the seat, the other tilts the seat back. And, there is also a lever/latch, which pulls the pins to allow the seat to be adjusted fore and aft, also on the front of the seat.

Again, be prepared for some maintenance on those roll pins, especially if you carry many back seat passengers.

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Another thing to consider is that later-later seats have two locking pins, so both seat rails have to be drilled.

My 170 has seats from a '75 172. They're the so-called the "fully articulating" ones that go up/down and recline. For the first five years I owned the airplane I never touched the adjustments and would happily have traded the seats for originals. The newer seats don't really fit in a 170 and (among other problems) have to be partially disassembled to remove from the airplane. But just lately I've started flying with the seat cranked down about five cranks, whereas my son likes it fully up, so now I guess I'm glad a previous owner did the switch.
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corefile wrote:Oh man... I got the fever.. So I just tracked down some vertically adjustable seats, which I now own. I just doubled my budget for this seat refurbishment project (who am I kidding, was there really ever a budget). Which also means the two gems in the pictures above are now for sale :D

I spoke to soon! Looks like I was a little late and missed out on the seats. Sooooo I'm still on the hunt for a pair of vertically (not the "infinite") adjustable seats. Hopefully I can find some soon as I already pulled out my old seats and pulled off the old crappy upholstery so I'm grounded till I get new seats and get them re-upholstered!
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

And it continues... I figured I might as well do the back seat at the same time as it was pretty ratty(look at that mold/mildew):

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Stripped it down and ready to send of to be sandblasted, painted, and reupholstered:

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While I had the seats out I went ahead and removed the old battery cable since I had a firewall mounted battery done:

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Also I was finally able to track down a pair of vertically adjustable seats so I sent them all out today to get redone. I can't wait to get them back... I kind of grounded myself by removing my seats, then deciding afterwards that I wanted to upgrade to vertically adjustable (after I had already stripped the original seats). Lessoned learned, better planning next time.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

Hi corefile:
Since you are redoing seats right now, I thought I'd post an idea that I've had if I ever redo my own seats.

Ever sit in the front of a Volvo XC-90? (Probably other cars have this too, but that's the one I'm familiar with)

They have a slim, totally unobtrusive top-opening pocket sewn right into the front panel of the seat cushion. Right under the crease in your knees. It's just right for all kinds of little cockpit items that you'd like to have handy.

I've thought that if I ever redo my front seats, I'm definitely going to try to incorporate that on both the pilot and copilot sides.

Good luck with your project,

-DP

edit: You can kind of see an example in this web-pic:

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denalipilot wrote:Hi corefile:
Since you are redoing seats right now, I thought I'd post an idea that I've had if I ever redo my own seats.

Ever sit in the front of a Volvo XC-90? (Probably other cars have this too, but that's the one I'm familiar with)

They have a slim, totally unobtrusive top-opening pocket sewn right into the front panel of the seat cushion. Right under the crease in your knees. It's just right for all kinds of little cockpit items that you'd like to have handy.

I've thought that if I ever redo my front seats, I'm definitely going to try to incorporate that on both the pilot and copilot sides.

Good luck with your project,

-DP

edit: You can kind of see an example in this web-pic:

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DP, That is a great idea! Perfect timing too. I'm going to add that to the build, will post pics when they are done. Im going to go down to a Volvo dealer to get a close look and pictures to send to the guy doing the seats.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

Sweet! I'd love to see how it turns out and how you like it.
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

I think that is a great idea DP. It does remind me of my grandpas old Chevy though...

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Now that you mention it Whee, yeah- I've got a '62 International with one of those covers too! Somehow Volvo dresses theirs up just a bit nicer! :lol:
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

Dumb question: Where does one find the Ceconite to replace the steel springs?
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Stewart Systems, Stitts Polyfibre, Superflight, aircraft spruce
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Re: Is this how the Madness starts

Thx. And then how is it best applied to the seat frame to support the foam? The reason I'm asking is I'm about to recover my ratty old seats and would like to upgrade them in the process.
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Well, I personally only use the Stewart's glue, it's really strong and easy to use, doesn't stink.

http://www.stewartsystems.aero/products ... ment-quart

Other fabric cements would work too, whatever your A&P is comfortable with.

Fabric cements and fabric systems have been discussed extensively here and over @ supercub.org.
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denalipilot wrote:Hi corefile:
Since you are redoing seats right now, I thought I'd post an idea that I've had if I ever redo my own seats.

Ever sit in the front of a Volvo XC-90? (Probably other cars have this too, but that's the one I'm familiar with)

They have a slim, totally unobtrusive top-opening pocket sewn right into the front panel of the seat cushion. Right under the crease in your knees. It's just right for all kinds of little cockpit items that you'd like to have handy.

I've thought that if I ever redo my front seats, I'm definitely going to try to incorporate that on both the pilot and copilot sides.

Good luck with your project,

-DP

edit: You can kind of see an example in this web-pic:

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I found a front view of the pocket pouch.
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I will just need to make sure it does not interfere with the height adjustment crank.
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