I think the only STC’d option for a PA-22 180HP is the Univair one last I checked and that required conversion to tailwheel. Any other options for a tri-gear 180hp other than field approval which would probably be a lot of effort?


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scottf wrote:I think the only STC’d option for a PA-22 180HP is the Univair one last I checked and that required conversion to tailwheel. Any other options for a tri-gear 180hp other than field approval which would probably be a lot of effort?


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Looks like you're right. I just assumed given I see the ones for the 22/20.

Reverse the order of my suggestions

Sounds like a 180 to me.

StuBob wrote:Sounds like a 180 to me.

Within my budget?

I haven’t shopped lately, but I’m pretty sure the early ones sell well under 100. Hopefully a recent buyer/seller/shopper will correct me.

I like the stinson 108 series with a constant speed and larger engine. Great strong aircraft.

Barnstormers has a 180 within your range. https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... a+180.html



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soaringhiggy wrote:I like the stinson 108 series with a constant speed and larger engine. Great strong aircraft.

Any idea what kind of cruise numbers folks are getting with that mod?

Well, you know pilots it is actual + 15-20%. However, I do have one friend who's numbers I do trust states that he get 135-140 at altitude. Where the real advantage exists is in climb. They are not the fastest for sure, they are very strong, are forgiving to fly, haul at great usable and they are comfortable.

At the end of the day the air frame is draggy as a lot of old rag bags are.

The difference in our 108-3 between the 165 and the 220 in cruise was about 10 mph. The airframe wasn’t as comfortable at the higher speeds. What I mean is at normal 165 cruise speed, 108-112 it was just smooth as could be.
At 220 speeds, they are both 80% engines, it just seemed nervous. Harsher ride just into the yellow arc.
I used to compare the 165 to a friendly black Lab and the 220 to a wire hair terrier.
The takeoff performance difference was stellar.

As I continue to evaluate the options I have started to hone in on one key detail that I previous overlooked in comparing all sorts of planes which is Vno. Decent cruise figures in smooth air only are nice but the shorter trips in the SE will almost always involve getting banged around in thermals. I think it might be more practical to evaluate the Vno and not just cruise figures to see what speeds I am likely to be at on the short trips or joyrides. Again, I think that weighs more heavily in favor of a 182. I might need to get over the looks and focus on the mission.

So many great airplanes but I can only fly one at a time!

Darn near impossible to get to Vno in a 108! LOL.

Regardless of whether it is what you think sounds fun...you really are asking for a Cessna 182. And they are great airplanes.

DJ Balla wrote:...I have started to hone in on one key detail that I previous overlooked in comparing all sorts of planes which is Vno

If VNO floats your boat, check out the Cirrius owners clubs.

Low and slow over here brother.

Troy Hamon wrote:Regardless of whether it is what you think sounds fun...you really are asking for a Cessna 182. And they are great airplanes.

I reckon he's asking for a Bearhawk, couldn't be clearer from the original post! He just needs to wait and watch the marketplace carefully

You know, the 13-rib Pacers had a decent Vno...

Somehow I never clicked on this thread until now and I'm kicking myself for it. This is good stuff.

I do agree with you DJ Balla, Vno is the most important specification you need to be paying attention to in your search.

I think there's only one airplane for this mission:

The Aerocomp 7.

High Vno, high Vne, taildragger, experimental. Add turbine and a face only a Maule or Porter designer's mother could love.

Zzz wrote:I think there's only one airplane for this mission:

The Aerocomp 7.

High Vno, high Vne, taildragger, experimental. Add turbine and a face only a Maule or Porter designer's mother could love.

The only thing that is missing is some 35" bushwheels. It needs to have 14 ft of prop clearance.

compair 7 de-registered. I have heard that the compairs have some bad rap? not sure, always thought that would be cool.