qmdv wrote:I followed the posts on you building your strip. Looks like a real nice job. It does not look like it is anybodies way unless I fly up and land in the middle third of the strip touching down at 60 mph. Then we would have two totaled straight tails.

I would consider just leave it be and wait a few weeks tell the strip is good and dry. Have him bring a mechanic that has liability insurance to do the work. He can provide a cert of insurance.

My strip is also short but is in a more open area.

Tim

Make sure you get named additionally insured on the mechanic's insurance certificate. He would be protected by the insurance but, nobody else would be (unless). Fire would be my biggest concern this time of year in Idaho hill country.

375handh wrote:FAA Accident And Incident Report

Really? Wow.

We have had this discussion about private strips a time or two. I think Idaho is one of the states that has the recreational aviation no owner liability statute. If publications say prior permission required to land then I get it or don't land. Some strips are not in publications.

I would fill my plane with his gas then if it is tow-able and it looks like it is, I would move it where I want them to work on it. I was joking about the gas. I wouldn't steal his gas.

A lot of guys here have landed on a strip without permission. We believe if a strip owner REALLY! doesn't want planes landing the owner will X it. If you land a non-Xed strip, get out and start checking things. If the owner is pissed just say I heard a weird noise and landed as a precaution. I am sorry.

Only a hand full of highly skilled pilots in very capable planes have taken the challenge to land Clear Creek.

OregonMaule wrote:

A lot of guys here have landed on a strip without permission. We believe if a strip owner REALLY! doesn't want planes landing the owner will X it. If you land a non-Xed strip, get out and start checking things. If the owner is pissed just say I heard a weird noise and landed as a precaution. I am sorry.

Only a hand full of highly skilled pilots in very capable planes have taken the challenge to landing.

Hey James if anybody just stopped by to check their oil are you OK with that And when you say we, who do you include. I am rude but not that rude.

So with Robs reasoning if a house is unlocked it would be OK to just come in and take a nap. If they really did not want you in they would leave a note on the door.

Well...... Maybe the airstrip Should Not be named Clear Creek INTERNATIONAL???? Maybe this 182 pilot thought he can clear customs at your airport?? LOL

(Just giving you crap, James! And I agree, the pilot shouldn't have attempted to land with out permission and the right skills. Hope it all works out ok.)

OregonMaule wrote: ....A lot of guys here have landed on a strip without permission. We believe if a strip owner REALLY! doesn't want planes landing the owner will X it. If you land a non-Xed strip, get out and start checking things. If the owner is pissed just say I heard a weird noise and landed as a precaution. I am sorry.
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I disagree with this line of thinking. Private property is private property, whether it's an airstrip or a vacant lot or your home. Esp when in this case it's an FAA-registered airstrip, listed on airnav with the notation " permission required prior to landing" with the owner's phone number listed also.

Rob, how would you like it if you headed out to your vacation home at Madras or Pacific City and found someone camped out in your yard? Or let's go completely over the top and say they're hanging out inside the house. I'm gonna guess that their explanation that "there's not a no trespassing sign" or "I didn't see a private property sign" ain't gonna fly, and that you'd probably open up a can of whoop-ass on them.

I always get the permission (when in doubt) from the land owner(s) before I land, alight (fancy name for a water touchdown), or ski. Water, snow, grass I do not own the world. If I bought land, paid taxes and voted, I hope others would respect that.

I have met some really cool people by the way of just asking!

I would think before everybody gets their panties in a bunch, that we hear what reason the defendant had for landing on Clear Creek international? If James has talk to this older gentleman, The older gentleman most likely gave him a reason why he decided to land there.

Let us hear from the plaintiff why did this older gentleman do this dastardly deed?

hotrod180 wrote:

OregonMaule wrote: ....A lot of guys here have landed on a strip without permission. We believe if a strip owner REALLY! doesn't want planes landing the owner will X it. If you land a non-Xed strip, get out and start checking things. If the owner is pissed just say I heard a weird noise and landed as a precaution. I am sorry.
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I disagree with this line of thinking. Private property is private property, whether it's an airstrip or a vacant lot or your home. Esp when in this case it's an FAA-registered airstrip, listed on airnav with the notation " permission required prior to landing" with the owner's phone number listed also.

Rob, how would you like it if you headed out to your vacation home at Madras or Pacific City and found someone camped out in your yard? Or let's go completely over the top and say they're hanging out inside the house. I'm gonna guess that their explanation that "there's not a no trespassing sign" or "I didn't see a private property sign" ain't gonna fly, and that you'd probably open up a can of whoop-ass on them.

Yes and no, for me. I still like to think the pilot population deserves the benefit of the doubt more than the general public. Seeing a plane at my property would engender more kinship than seeing a tent on my lawn. Sorry for James that he got some unneeded, undeserved hassles, but hopefully cool heads will prevail. Could have been worse.
-DP

Our constitution prevented our government from making us buy anything we didn't want to buy. Still does, but few politicians pay any attention to it now. Amish "pay unto Caesar" (taxes.) They do not buy Social Security Insurance or any other insurance. They trust in God. They also do not fly, spray crops, etc. Anyway, the founding fathers tried hard not to have the oppression of a King. Pretty obvious how that is going. I'm a good troop, however. "Mine not the reason why, mine but to do and die." At least I vote.

They are making plans to remove the CE-182. Some places just require the right plane and pilot. This has created bad "PR" with my neighbors.

James

You guys know me, I was just stirring the pot. I hear you Hotrod and that is a fair point. I have had guys come on my land over the years. The ones I have caught I ask them what they are up to. Never been a big deal. Neighbor kids down in our woods playing paint ball. Another time some locals sitting in our gazebo in the woods drinking a beer.

I am not the only pilot who feels it is not that big a deal to land a strip that is not in the publications, with a note like, "prior permission need to land." There are at least two VERY well thought of pilots here on BCP who PMed me and said they have landed many times with no permission. They don't want to get in a pissing match about it. Now if a pilot landed, set up a tent, and start a fire I am going to have a problem with that.

I look at it like someone turning around in my driveway, I don't care. Now some people have signs, no turn around in drive.

Cheers...Rob

Super-Maule wrote:They are making plans to remove the CE-182. Some places just require the right plane and pilot. This has created bad "PR" with my neighbors.

James

I fly a 182 and I wouldn't go looking for strips that short with obstacles to clear. If I was puking oil, that would be a different story.

I too, am curious to know why this man decided to land at your airstrip, uninvited.
Did you ask him this question, James?

So if you landed on a strip and bent the plane what would you want to do? Stuff happens!!! If you are worried about what might happen go pull the battery and drain the fuel yourself. Just saying!!
DENNY

Hello Backcountry Pilots,

I think the pilot's motivation to land at my airstrip was just the challenge factor. He said he had practiced some landings at nearby Kamiah and Kooskia, Idaho that particular morning. I guess he was just feeling particularly "snorky" that morning and attempted to land at my airstrip. Like Rob aka: Oregon-Maule said landing at Clear Creek is a "challenge". PS: Rob, is always welcome at my place and just a hoot to be around.

If I had a 3500 foot runway with unobstructed approaches on both ends I wouldn't be so hesitant to invite people fly in. However, I have friends that are very high time, competent Cessna 185/180& 206 pilots that just pass on landing at my airstrip. That just shows judgment.
For me, my airstrip is access to my Idaho property and home. Every time I land there or take-off I never take Clear Creek International (79ID) for granted even after 100+ operations there myself.

Anyway I really enjoy having visitors, and consider myself a pretty good host. Free 435 foot zip-line rides, BBQ, cheap red wine, and stiff drinks are standard fare at Clear Creek. All I ask is that pilots just call ahead. This Cessna 182 "fender bender" could have turned out way worse. Luckily no one got hurt. Now if we can just get the 182 out of there without tearing the sh#t out of my runway.

Cheers,

James
Clear Creek, Idaho

Super-Maule wrote:Now if we can just get the 182 out of there without tearing the sh#t out of my runway.

Fingers crossed for this. Good luck!

Too bad there was no insurance. I wonder if there was insurance on the plane if they would have covered it? Seems like a hard sell getting insurance to cover the hull when landing at a challenging private strip without permission and without mechanical difficulties.

[quote="Super-Maule"] This has created bad "PR" with my neighbors.

That's one of the main problems as I see it! Hope you get everything all smoothed out with everyone, James!
John