X 2 what M6RV6 said. Way too much righteousness in this thread.

Apparently it's Dale Smith of serial tech and some of his family

I hope no one minds if I drag this back to the original subject, the weather is much brtter today, a search headquarters has been established at Johnson Creek and an ELT has been traced to 1 mile south of johnson creek. Overnight temp tonight may be below zero.

The quote by Teddy was nice but I think he was talking about boxing or football. He has never been IFR on top over the Rockies, nor have I nor will I ever be.

I even shy away from night flying over the costal range in Nor Cal. I am imagining loosing an engine and setting it for best glide into Happy Camp.

Hope for the best.

Tim

Dale Moul wrote:I hope no one minds if I drag this back to the original subject, the weather is much brtter today, a search headquarters has been established at Johnson Creek and an ELT has been traced to 1 mile south of johnson creek. Overnight temp tonight may be below zero.

Wow! A mile south is not that far. Hopefully they are found quickly.

I see a TFR was issued withing a 5 mile radius of johnson creek, two CAP planes searching the area today. Hoping for the best, with the cold front we had come in the nights are chilly...

small ranch of two in that vicinity....hope they were able to slide it in one of the meadows...saw a 210 guy pull it off when he decided to take off to the south one day.....saved it all but the prop thankfully!

Come on Lady Luck... Hang in there with them all..

Went up top today on the way to Madras. 11,500 feet beautiful. Driving back in the Jimmy it was snowing pretty good down in those clouds. I would not have wanted to do a forced landing.

Well this sucks.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/12/03/former-weber-officials-grandson-among-5-feared-dead-idaho-plane-crash

Dale Moul wrote:I hope no one minds if I drag this back to the original subject, the weather is much brtter today, a search headquarters has been established at Johnson Creek and an ELT has been traced to 1 mile south of johnson creek. Overnight temp tonight may be below zero.

We are all hoping for a miracle. It would really suck to be that close to JC and not make it.

10000ft in a min descent. Sounds like it wasn't gliding very good.
Hopes and prayers that it turns out better then it seems.

I wonder if that glide rate is correct or not. It was quoted as coming from a family member who heard it from some official, if I recall correctly. I heard another article quote an altitude that wasn't so high to accommodate that, but you know how reliable media information is at this stage.

This is bad, particularly if the ground was obscured by clouds. This is one of those cases where a plane parachute may actually help. Otherwise, its far too easy to come out of IFR a few hundred feat AGL and thump the side of a mountain - especially without a good deal of luck, synthetic vision, and back country proficiency.

A1Skinner wrote:10000ft in a min descent. Sounds like it wasn't gliding very good.
Hopes and prayers that it turns out better then it seems.

(10,000'/min) 167 feet/sec descent would be impossible in that type of aircraft. Opinion. Just saying.

8GCBC wrote:(10,000'/min) 167 feet/sec descent would be impossible in that type of aircraft. Opinion. Just saying.

That's what I was thinking. It would break up at that rate wouldn't it?

A1Skinner wrote:

8GCBC wrote:(10,000'/min) 167 feet/sec descent would be impossible in that type of aircraft. Opinion. Just saying.

That's what I was thinking. It would break up at that rate wouldn't it?

A friend of mine describes being in a 10,000ft/min downdraft near Denali. I forget which plane he was in, but it would have either been a Helio Courier or a Turbine 207. I believe him. 10,000ft/min = 114 MPH.
-DP

denalipilot wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

8GCBC wrote:(10,000'/min) 167 feet/sec descent would be impossible in that type of aircraft. Opinion. Just saying.

That's what I was thinking. It would break up at that rate wouldn't it?

A friend of mine describes being in a 10,000ft/min downdraft near Denali. I forget which plane he was in, but it would have either been a Helio Courier or a Turbine 207. I believe him. 10,000ft/min = 114 MPH.
-DP

Was there instrumentation to confirm 10,000'/min descent? Or was it an estimate from visual references?

Pretty sure all this talk about 10k/min is coming from a news article interview of a distressed family member.......obviously reactive statements, not facts. He filed for 13K, and I bet you loose radar in that area around 10K so..........

Here is the flight track:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N36M ... N/tracklog

Yes highroad. It was from the article. Not the best source. I wondered how high he wouldve been flying, but given mountainous terrain I wasn't sure if he would actually have had 10k ft to go down. My bad on picking out a bad line out of an article.