On the AT-802F I immediately raise my flaps before putting aircraft in beta or reverse thrust on the landing roll-out, Especially in high winds....7 pages yet?

AKJurnee got it to page 7!!!

And your prize... the joy of making the thread get to page 7.

GumpAir wrote:

Up north in the Sleds, I would often find myself coming to a stop on the runway with a 30+ kt crosswind and the RPMs way high. Not really consciously, but pushing/pulling controls because it made the airplane behave like I wanted. All part of using what you got to make your airplane do what YOU want it to do.

Gump

Yep. Sled flying will make you a better pilot, I don't care if you're a blue freakin' angel. It might have made me more opinionated too.

Ha Ha! Yup!

I don't think there will ever be a better Alaska aviation money maker than the lowly Sled. Nor a better pilot maker.

Gump

GumpAir wrote:Ha Ha! Yup!

I don't think there will ever be a better Alaska aviation money maker than the lowly Sled. Nor a better pilot maker.

Gump

Preach on brother.

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Well - I was working up a short story of lessons learned. But then I remembered a rather excellent reference source. Could only find volume II - but it was/is enough. Big Rocks And Long Props never raised flaps until after stopped - even "instructed" that it was/is not a wise thing to do. To paraphrase an old 1890 gospel.
Never falter never fail,
Keep your hand upon the throttle
and you eye upon the 'centerline' rail.

Again....

Never say never.

Don't always always.

Flaps are just another control surface to be used in infinite combinations with power and the other control surfaces to make an airplane behave like you want it to.

The extremely focused world of big rocks has one set of localized rules that do not apply to many other aspects of flying.

Gump

GumpAir wrote:Again....

Never say never.

Don't always always.

Flaps are just another control surface to be used in infinite combinations with power and the other control surfaces to make an airplane behave like you want it to.

The extremely focused world of big rocks has one set of localized rules that do not apply to many other aspects of flying.

Gump

Well said.

Understanding the dynamics is more important than using in a habitual (or ritual) fashion. That's why I love manual quick acting flaps for small light aircraft instead of electric (hydraulic flaps are pretty fast I.e. PA23).

Thanks Gump!

Post deleted wrong thread.

No such thing as a horse that's too dead to beat.

Ok I'll bite. I say it depends. Definitely something to play with and see what works for your aircraft.

Any one know where to find the video of the black cub dumping flaps a tad early.

Waterboy wrote:Ok I'll bite. I say it depends. Definitely something to play with and see what works for your aircraft.

Any one know where to find the video of the black cub dumping flaps a tad early.

Lesson in giving lessons:

There was a student here who almost flattened an aircraft dumping the flaps (10) FEET above the runway at PHNL. The instructor (now flys for Hawaiian) grabbed the handle, pulled back, and luckily recovered but still hit hard. The instructor pilot was a good friend and we talked about never trusting students. He always keeps his students hands off the FLAP handle until safe on the ground.

Not to be outdone - the original:

There's an irony in bumping threads with dead-horse-beating images.

Hmm, seems I asked the wrong question at first.... After reading all 7 pages I've come to the conclusion that the correct question should be: "When should one raise the flaps on landing, and when should one not".


As for the aerodynamic braking factor, I've read that test show that aerodynamic braking is most effective during the first third of the landing roll, wheel braking during the last two-thirds. I haven't seen any papers on this, so take it (like most advice) with a grain of salt.
Just my 2 cents.

One should be careful while beating a dead horse. Properly applied blows by some instrument such as a baseball bat should be applied to the head of the horse thus making sure the animal is adequately dead. Blows with a baseball bat to the sternum of said horse may replicate chest compressions performed during CPR resulting in said horse coming to life and rearing its ugly head. I am sure opinions may vary on this delicate subject much like raising flaps after landing.

Coyote wrote:One should be careful while beating a dead horse. Properly applied blows by some instrument such as a baseball bat should be applied to the head of the horse thus making sure the animal is adequately dead. Blows with a baseball bat to the sternum of said horse may replicate chest compressions performed during CPR resulting in said horse coming to life and rearing its ugly head. I am sure opinions may vary on this delicate subject much like raising flaps after landing.

I will add that adequate, but controlled, tenderization of any of the major roast sections on a horse make for the best cuts for Saur Braten. You will not find the recipe for this on any of the PETA websites.

CW