Does anybody carry a Rifle / Shotgun as part of their aircraft survival kit.
Any thoughts on Mossberg .308 Scout rifle?

If I'm going out to the bush camping I carry my mares leg in .44 mag.

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I have a little Chiappa Badger folding .22mag that would be good in a survival kit but I don't have it in the plane for a few reasons:
a) My survival kit is designed for 3 days, maybe a week, and i don't think a gun comes into play unless you are really hunkering down for a long time.
b) I would almost certainly forget it in my survival kit when crossing the border, and that can get ugly.
c) Canada's onerous storage laws dictate it must be locked and out of sight when left. There aren't a lot of places to hide a gun out of sight in my plane.

I always have a Ruger .22/45 lite in my survival pack for shooting ptarmigan and small game to survive if necessary, and if I know I am going to be out in heavy bear country I may throw in my Marlin 1895 45-70. Usually though, I am out hunting and have a rifle on the wing.

I have a M6 Scout survival rifle in .22 Hornet and 410 shotgun, which I normally keep in my "grab and go" bag.

Don't carry a gun for survival, but same as A1Skinner I throw something in the back for hiking/camping. Flew into a remote river for some fly fishing today and took along a little 14" 30/30 Contender carbine and pepper spray because I know there's plenty of black bear around. In grizzly country I'd probably bring a short 12 gauge instead.

Keltec Sub 2000-9mm folding rifle, comes stock with a 17 round mag, also available in 40SW. Folded its 16.25", overall length is 29.25". Accepts the 30+ round Glock mag, which is what I use. Some may argue that a 9mm is not powerful enough, but for my mission it is, especially with 30+ rounds per mag.


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A short 12-gauge pump is always in the 'plane, primarily for bear protection.

My survival kit includes a Henry AR-7 Survival Rifle. This is for taking small game such as grouse, ptarmigan, rabbits, etc. My survival kit stays with me always: truck, Jeep, plane, atv, boat... it's coming with!

Karmutzen wrote:.... took along a little 14" 30/30 Contender carbine ...

I know gun laws are different in Canada but I always thought they were more onerous, maybe not the case here?
In the US, a 14" barreled Contender with a pistol grip would be fine, but with a buttstock I believe the barrel has to be at least 16" long.
There might even be a problem depending on whether the frame was originally a "rifle" or a "handgun".
There are laws against short-barreled rifles and I think maybe also against butt-stocked handguns.
Some of our laws are splitting hairs, or worse, but that's how the legislators roll.

hotrod180 wrote:

Karmutzen wrote:.... took along a little 14" 30/30 Contender carbine ...

I know gun laws are different in Canada but I always thought they were more onerous, maybe not the case here?
In the US, a 14" barreled Contender with a pistol grip would be fine, but with a buttstock I believe the barrel has to be at least 16" long.
There might even be a problem depending on whether the frame was originally a "rifle" or a "handgun".
There are laws against short-barreled rifles and I think maybe also against butt-stocked handguns.
Some of our laws are splitting hairs, or worse, but that's how the legislators roll.

US laws vary state by state, however yes certain weapons with funny sizes may fall under NFA guidelines. Anything you can buy at a Cabela's will be legal per NFA, but state guidelines should be checked. Part of why I have CCW permits in multiple states is for the reciprocity aspect since I usually have a .22 pistol in my kit for small game survival hunting. If I'm going into grizz country, I have a much larger handgun and probably some bear spray. I haven't found a need for a .22 survival rifle yet (like the Henry collapsable ones), I'm plenty accurate with the pistol. Now if I went into Canada the handgun options are right out, so at that point I'd consider a long gun. Definitely read up on the current laws in all of the places you want to fly first.

For the majority of my backcountry flying in Idaho, we might carry our Glock 23 4th Gen in .40S&W, with 13 rounds. I'm looking at good breakdown guns for exactly what you're describing though, and I keep coming back to the Marlin 45-70 for an all-around survival rifle that pack easily in the plane. This is the one I really want - just waiting for an excuse (c'mon guys, help me out here!) to go pick one up!

https://www.wildwestguns.com/custom-guns/ak-co-pilot/

I've got a marlin guide gun in .45/70. I love that gun but the scope is useless!

Trajectory like a rainbow, but it'll knock down what you hit. I hike/camp with ours loaded up with buffalo bore rounds.

CapnMike wrote:........ This is the one I really want - just waiting for an excuse (c'mon guys, help me out here!) to go pick one up! [
url]https://www.wildwestguns.com/custom-guns/ak-co-pilot/[/url]

Hi Mike

I had two stainless Marlins converted SGL in 45/70 and the other straight stocked in in .357 done 4 years back. If your down this was happy to meet up and let you play

You likely have no idea just how much hassle, export / import x 2 paperwork, ITAR and freight not to mention $$$$ it took to get them done from Australia. Hence why I did two only additional cost was for the conversion of the second, They were worth it! I now wish I had also sent my .44 across as well!

As you may be aware Australia has some "interesting" gun laws, these make it very easy for me to travel inconspicuously, with a rifle in my car, bike or aircraft. Nothing illegal in my actions, just avoids any knee jerk anti's staring or freaking out. Interestingly I also need a special "legal deed" every 3 years from our FAA (CASA) to take a firearm in my own airacraft!

WWG were not particularly easy to deal with and sadly lacking in communication given the $$$ I was paying. I also used an independent FFL import and export agent as they had no interest in managing that process.

They took an inordinate amount of time to do work, but vast majority of this was my rifles sitting waiting in their queue for their smith to do the work, they were however finished within a week of when they said they would be.

I am very happy with the workmanship and performance, bite the bullet i don't think you will be disappointed.

Mike, While the takedown is nice, it's not 3200 bucks nice.-well unless you decide to fly an extra trip to pay for it? I have the standard 45-70 Marlin SS Guide gun and that is plenty short enough to fit in the back of the wagon. Also, you don't have to put together all the time. 400 grain flat nose hard cast will just about stop any beast in its tracks.

hotrod180 wrote:
Karmutzen wrote:
.... took along a little 14" 30/30 Contender carbine ...

I know gun laws are different in Canada but I always thought they were more onerous, maybe not the case here?

Completely legal in Canada, I even phoned the Feds after reading the new regs to make sure I had it right. Minimum overall length to stay out of the "restricted/prohibited" category is 660mm, or 26". Minimum barrel length for a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun is 470mm or 18.5". Other actions you can go as short a barrel as you want providing it is manufactured that length and not sawn off, AND the overall length greater than 26".

TradeCraft wrote:My survival kit includes a Henry AR-7 Survival Rifle. This is for taking small game such as grouse, ptarmigan, rabbits, etc. My survival kit stays with me always: truck, Jeep, plane, atv, boat... it's coming with!

I have an earlier one of these in my survival kit, made by Charter Arms, before Henry took over manufacturing them. Comparing quality at gun shops, the Henry is made better than the Charter Arms, but mine has never jammed and is pretty accurate (as accurate as iron sights can be), using CCI long rifles. The Henry also carries two extra clips in the butt stock, one more than mine--I just have the one in the action and one extra in the butt stock.

The nice thing about .22s is that you can carry a whole bunch of ammo in a very small space and with very little weight. As long as the purpose is to go for small game like squirrels or rabbits, or even larger birds, a .22 is plenty adequate. Obviously it won't be much good for larger game.

Cary

I love guns. I have 18 rifles, 9 shotguns, and almost a dozen handguns. But I only cary a handgun in the airplane. I've thought about it a hundred times and then some, but I always come to the conclusion that the weight an bulk of the long guns is just wasted. Look at the money people spend to convert to lightweight starters or to shed ounces out of their interiors...all wasted by simply adding a rifle or shotgun, never mind the ammo.

The scout rifles and 45-70's are sexy, but absolutely useless unless you're expecting a bear attack...something about as likely as being hit by lightning if you camp right, and something usually much better addressed a by super-light, inexpensive can of bear spray. Get stuck by weather for a few days and see how F&G reacts to you killing a big game animal for sustenance. Better yet, try harvesting a grouse or hare with that weapon and see what's left for dinner. OR...figure out how many freeze dried, nutritionally complete meals you could cary for the weight of the weapon and ammo, never mind the cost.

99% of the time the only handgun I cary is a scandium .357 snub nose revolver, because the only thing I anticipate needing to ever shoot is another human. I throw a few shot shells in, as it allows me to harvest grouse and hares very affectively out to about 40 feet. Past that a gun is just a play toy, at least in the lower 48, and that includes grizzly habitat. If you get bothered by a grizzly at an airstrip in the lower 48, you're so sloppy in your camping that you pretty much deserve what you get.

Black bears can be troublesome, but I trust good camping practices, a can of bear spray and a .357 back-up MORE than enough. I've lived around black bears all my life...close quarters much of the time... I'm respectful of them, but not at all fearful.

Cary an gun if you want to because it's fun, but it rarely pencils out as a cost/weight/bulk-effective survival tool. Some places it does, but not often.

Karmutzen wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:
Karmutzen wrote:
.... took along a little 14" 30/30 Contender carbine ...

I know gun laws are different in Canada but I always thought they were more onerous, maybe not the case here?

Completely legal in Canada, I even phoned the Feds after reading the new regs to make sure I had it right. Minimum overall length to stay out of the "restricted/prohibited" category is 660mm, or 26". Minimum barrel length for a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun is 470mm or 18.5". Other actions you can go as short a barrel as you want providing it is manufactured that length and not sawn off, AND the overall length greater than 26".

You can go shorter. Mare leg is only 24" with 11.5" barrel. Non restricted. Carries nice in a hip holster, packs a big punch in 44 mag. Ever since getting it my 45/70 saddle gun never gets used. This thing is way more comfortable to pack on my horse or for hiking. And takes up very little space in the plane.

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About 5+ years ago I was looking for a good compact rifle that could be easily taken down and quickly put back together without a degree in gunsmithing or mechanical engineering. I ended up with a Marlin Papoose 22LR in stainless steel . I am posting because I have not seen this rifle mentioned yet. The link below has a number of folks commenting on it, and it seems to have been very well received. The second Youtube video below by Nutnfancy is a really good review, but just FYI, when you click the play icon on the screen you have to again click a second link and watch it directly on Youtube.



Link :
https://www.impactguns.com/marlin-papoose-22-lr-take-down-rifle-70pss-026495077204.aspx

I finally got my hands on a Ruger take down and it is nice as far as easy snap together but it does not out shoot my Marlin Papoose. The Marlin Papoose is also nice and light but not flimsy like the Henry survival .22.