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AOPA Problems

When AOPA first launched the FlyQ flight planner, they dropped the alternative option (simply called flight planner) before FlyQ was ready for prime time. There were lots of bugs in the software and their online implementation. Now AOPA has changed their member management system and I can't log on at all. It's been FUBAR since Friday. The online advice (they recognized there is a problem) is to log off and log back on. That isn't very helpful when you can't log on to begin with.

Absent the online flight planning, I'm not sure the value is there for me with AOPA anymore. Before I bow out, I wanted to get feedback form other members about the value they feel AOPA offers as an advocate for pilots in general. If I drop my AOPA membership, I will offer those funds to the RAF since I see direct impacts they are having on the kind of flying that appeals most to me. I just wanted to probe other's thoughts about whether AOPA advocacy is producing meaningful results.

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Yes, their web site terrible right now. However, as I think we all can recognize, we are better off with them than without them, despite issues or problems they currently have.
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I am a proud supporter of AOPA. I just went and checked the site. It is working fine for me. Like all sites that require a log on you have to remember your UN and PW. With your member number and email you should be able to get your UN and PW or get a new one.

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I used the AOPA website regularly up until Friday when it became inaccessible to me. I know my UN &PW well and have double and triple checked the case of the letters since their new system is case sensitive. It isn't affecting everyone, but is massively frustrating for those of us that are impacted. I'm just astounded that they have more troubles with their website than Zane had launching the newest edition of BCP, and he works alone.
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I have been very disappointed with AOPA this past year. I really liked their old flight planner and used it regularly. The FlyQ sucks. I've been using SkyVector for flight planning this summer. It works much better than FlyQ and is free. I've kind of made a quiet decision that if AOPA doesn't get FlyQ fixed by Sept (my renewal date) I would drop my AOPA membership at least until they fix it. Also, it seems like any time they come up with a new service they only offer it at an additional charge. That, along with their constant emailings and snail mailings asking for more and more donations is leaving a sour taste in my mouth for them. Very disappointing as I would really like to support them. It's kind of like dropping out of the NRA.
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Re: AOPA Problems

Flyhound,

This last spring we tried to get "Recreational Aviation" added to our Recreational Use Statute (RUS) here in Texas. Unfortunately, we were not succesful this round, as the Bill died on the House floor. I personally went to the Capitol and gave a testimony to the committee in support of the bill. I am a member/supporter of the RAF and was really kind of devastated that they were nowhere to be found (at the Capitol) in our hour of need trying to battle these "Trial Lawyers," who were spewing a bunch of misinformation to the committee in opposition of the bill. That said, we now have another liason for the RAF in Texas who is a friend of mine out here in West TX (who was at the Capitol testifying). After the bill had died he became one of our new RAF liasons for TX, so that is great.

The flip side is that AOPA was there in force and worked super hard trying to get this bill through. I was really impressed with the women AOPA sent to the Capitol to testify and organize negotiations behind the scenes; very persistent, intelligent, friendly, and well informed!!! So point is that AOPA absolutely supports the type of flying we do, our allies in aviation are so important that to abandon any of them would be counter-productive IMO.

I strongly encourage all pilots to support both AOPA and RAF, we really need these organizations to deal with the bureaucrats that could give a shit about our freedom to fly and explore the USA as we currently do. After going to the Capitol and seeing how all this legal mumbo jumbo goes down, and the Donkeys we call politicians in action, it was very apparent that organizations like AOPA/RAF are essential to protecting our freedom as aviators.

Unfortunately, in this day and age the only thing that talks on Capitol Hill is $$$, and that's the best way to support these organizations. Cough it up folks, just think how much you pay for insurance to protect your airplane, what about insurance to protect your freedom to fly!!!!!!!

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I've been a member of AOPA now for 40+ years, and while I disagree with some of their positions on things, and certainly there have been problems over the years, it's still the most effective voice for aviation in Washington--and in state capitols around the country. None of us individually have a very powerful voice in the political decisions which affect aviation, but as a large group, our voice becomes pretty loud.

If you want to play football, when the game isn't played the way you want to play it, taking your football and going home doesn't help you play football. Instead, you stay on the team and try to get changes made. If the only reason for being a member is to see what you can get, and you'll take your football and go home if you don't get it, then you're out of the game.

I also miss the old AOPA Flight Planner, which worked as well as any of the modern apps. But I can't imagine dropping my membership because I can't use it. And heck, every single website that I use has had access problems at some point (including this one), but I still use them once the access problems have been solved. We like to think there's no excuse for their inadequacies, but large or small, they're still run by humans, and humans make mistakes, whether they're a one man show like BCP or a multi-person show like AOPA and EAA. Disagree, OK. Leave because you disagree, not OK. Instead, work from within to make the changes you think should be made--and if enough people agree with you, eventually those changes will be made.

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If you are using internet explorer try firefox
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I had not been able to log in for a long time either, but I tried this morning and its working again. Make sure you've cleared your cache and temp files for your browser. Also, its using Java and Javascript on the new site so make sure javascript is enabled and that you have the latest version of Java installed.

I think they are a good organization to be part of and are offering quite a bit of services to jump ship because they are having website issues...heck everyone has those problems when getting a new site going...just take BCP for example. Though, Zane is doing an excellent job at keeping folks update on exactly what is wrong and whether or not he's on it! Maybe AOPA could take a little lesson from Zzz! #-o
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Fly hound,

I won't beat on this more except to say that Cary hit the nail on the head. AOPA is THE support organization for general aviation.

Now, to your problem.....have you CALLED AOPA on your phone? In my experience, they always have a human answer the phone after the first level menu, AND in my experience, they have always been helpful.

In fact, I dropped my legal coverage plan with them when they combined it with medical certification coverage. Before that, medical certification information had been free, and excellent, by the way.

After I dropped that coverage, I've called for several students of mine who needed medical certification assistance....and in every case, I was referred to the medical certification branch and got thorough answers to my questions. Even though I don't pay for the additional coverage, they provided a great service. At least four young people are flying today because of that guidance, since they had been convinced they could never get a medical, and AOPA guided them through the hoops.

How much is that worth?

CALL THEM. And while you're talking to them, ask them to shut off the email solicitations. I did that a couple years ago, and haven't got any of that stuff since. I just called them last month and asked them to switch my magazine subscription to electronic. Now I get Pilot on the IPad.....cool.

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I used AIFP for all of my flight planning too. The FlyQ version lost all of my flight plans and airplane profiles. It truly is garbage. But, most things have a silver lining. I bought an iPad mini and ForeFlight. Wildly superior.

But, for the many good reasons stated above, I have stayed an AOPA member.
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If you ever fly through a TFR and are part of the Legal Plan, let's say it is all worth the annual bucks. Don't ask how I know.

AOPA is like the USA. You might not agree with the leadership BUT where will we go????

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Thanks to all that gave specific instances of where AOPA has been helpful. The feedback from Skalywag, MTV and OregonMaule were the most convincing. My perspective was that AOPA was more interested in perpetuating their own organization and maximizing the number of their revenue streams than actually working on behalf of aircraft owners and pilots. In the instances where I was aware of their advocacy, like the recent uptick in invasive aircraft searches by Customs and Border Protection, they have not seemed effective. CBP has essentially blown off AOPA's request for information on the rationale, or probable cause for the searches being conducted. When that apparent lack of efficacy (again, from my perspective) was combined with the lack of service, the value proposition for membership had shrunk considerably in my mind.

The feedback I've gotten has convinced me that others have seen real value to the flying community, so I'll continue my membership since I am part of that larger community. I still don't like the lack of customer service and the poor job they've done with their online presence, but those weren't the things I joined for in the beginning. Those have devolved into the only benefits I was experiencing directly, and as those benefits have faded, my enthusiasm for membership was waning. Thanks for all that had good stories about specific contributions AOPA has made for the flying community at large. That was what I was missing in my value calculation.

I have to confess I did not call AOPA to discuss the challenges with accessing my account. Most of my troubles were over the weekend, and they are only staffed M-F, so that wasn't an option. I did leave several emails asking for help, and none of those emails were answered, even on Monday when they came back to work. I finally requested a new password and was able to log on, but I think I've given up on the AOPA flight planning tools I used to rely on. I switched to www.iflightplanner.com for my online flight planning needs. I also use Avilution software with my Android tablet and that is great, but when I'm home I prefer the big screen on my desktop computer and a full sized keyboard. So far I am very happy with that service.
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Really, please call AOPA during the week, 9 to 5 eastern time, and express your concerns verbally. And ask for assistance. I don't use their flight planning program because that's not why I belong. But at least give them a chance to respond.

It is a good organization. Not everything they do I fully agree with, but overall, they are the folks who get things done in GA.

Give them the opportunity to help you.

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I've found them to be helpful here and there. The planner is sort of irrelevant now since I use an iPad and Foreflight.

Without the AOPA, and other more local efforts, then to John Q. Public, you are just a random obscenely wreckless rich dude with a scary, dangerous airplane who might actually sort of be a secret terrierist who needs to be regulated out of existence and leave the skies to its rightful ownership by the airlines.

Well, that is if you read the average comment section after an unfortunate GA accident.

Seriously, the AOPA is one of the only fronts we have.
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Here is one more reason to continue to support AOPA...

Over the past several months, as you may know, AOPA has received an increasing number of reports from our members who have been stopped and searched by agents from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

AOPA has demanded to know why pilots who’ve done nothing wrong have been surrounded by armed agents while their belongings and airplanes have been exhaustively searched.

But every response we’ve received from CBP so far has been completely unsatisfactory.

It’s become clear that this is not a battle we can win by working with federal law enforcement agencies.

Instead, we’re going to need the help of Congress. We’re going to need our allies in the U.S. House and Senate to shine a bright spotlight on these abuses and make sure they stop.

And to strengthen this effort, I’m asking you to do two things.

First, if you have been subjected to one of these searches, please provide AOPA with details of the incident. You can click here to fill out a special questionnaire on our web site, or call our AOPA Pilot Information Center at 1-800-USA-AOPA to report your experience. The more information we have about these tactics, the better able we’ll be to fight back and protect your freedom to fly from this latest attack on general aviation.

Second, please help strengthen our hand in Congress by making a special contribution to the AOPA Political Action Committee (AOPA PAC) today. AOPA PAC is the only arm of AOPA that can provide direct support to those in Congress who help lead our legislative and political battles. What’s more, the dollars we raise can be monitored online by every member of Congress and their staffs.

Your contribution today will send a loud, clear message to these elected officials that those in Congress who lead the way to stop these aggressive tactics and protect our freedom to fly will have our strong support at election time. There’s no more powerful way for you to help set the stage for victory in this crucial effort than through your AOPA PAC support today.

In past battles, AOPA PAC’s strength has had a huge impact on our success.

Pilots represent only one-quarter of one percent of the population. But AOPA PAC provides the rock-solid foundation to make sure that, when pilots speak, Congress listens. And only individual members of AOPA can give to AOPA PAC. We can’t accept support from corporations or non-members. That’s why I’m asking for your generous AOPA PAC support as we reach out to Congress to stop these intrusive search tactics against pilots like you.

You’ll be hearing more from AOPA on this issue – a lot more. We’re committed to fight as long as it takes to win this battle and protect your rights as a pilot.


This is not an endorsement to contribute to their PAC, simply that they do work in our favor. And they are right, we are small minority of the population. We need someone to help make us heard.
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Here's something else they are doing!

More questions than answers in FAA data distribution policy
August 6, 2013 By Dan Namowitz
The FAA’s proposed policy for disseminating data digitally to the public is unclear, lacks transparency, and should be reviewed and improved by an industry stakeholder committee, AOPA said in comments on the proposal.

The policy—published in response to a 2009 open-government directive—also leaves unclear how much of the FAA’s voluminous public information would be covered by the proposal. Follow-up inquiries have not clarified the issue. However, digital charts, currently undergoing a separate distribution overhaul, would not be affected, FAA sources have told AOPA.

The policy would not apply to information published via “FAA Web sites,” but by not identifying those sites, the FAA left vague how the agency planned the future distribution of a range of information including notices to airman, the airman database, aircraft registry information, weather data, and accident statistics.

The FAA published its notice of the proposed policy May 1, explaining that it was offering the policy in response to a 2009 presidential directive for open government that instructed agencies to “make information available in open formats.”

The policy would allow the agency to provide information access “over secure and controlled connections,” and would allow the FAA to “consider cost and cost recovery in making FAA data/information available to external users,” the agency said.

AOPA responded that the policy’s apparent effect might conflict with goals of a 2002 law to improve access to government information, and would likely require the FAA to dedicate more resources to managing an expansive vendor network.

“Adding additional barriers to obtaining data does not improve access to information as mandated by the E-Government & Information Technology Act of 2002,” wrote Tom Kramer, AOPA manager of airspace and modernization, adding that “not only will the FAA continue to create this data, they now must identify, vet, and monitor all of the third party vendors who might share the information with the public.”


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Aerial advertising ban under study in Austin, Texas
August 1, 2013 By Dan Namowitz
AOPA, citing the FAA’s authority to regulate the nation’s airspace, has asked officials in Austin, Texas, to reconsider plans to draft an ordinance that would restrict or prohibit aerial advertising activity, such as banner-towing flights

In a July 22 letter to City Manager Marc A. Ott, AOPA urged that officials of the Texas capital city “recognize the FAA’s authority and obligation to regulate navigable airspace as Congress intended.” Local attempts to ban aerial advertising directly contradict that authority, which is conferred on the agency “in the interest of the safety and efficiency of the public,” wrote Melissa McCaffrey, AOPA senior government analyst for air traffic services

On June 27, the Austin City Council approved a resolution “directing the City Manager to determine if any legal barriers that would prevent the City from enacting an ordinance restricting or prohibiting aerial advertising and, if no such barriers exist, to draft such an ordinance for consideration by the City Council by August 29, 2013.”

The Texas capital city’s effort to restrict airspace activity is under consideration shortly after a Pennsylvania aviation business was successful in its court bid to dismiss a fine levied under a similar ordinance

The Austin resolution states that the city has “developed a reputation as a world-wide venue for music and other events” and that aerial advertising would be “disruptive” to events and residents.

It notes that a U.S. Court of Appeals upheld a Hawaii ordinance against challenges.

AOPA, however, pointed out that the case addressed Constitutional free speech arguments, not the “sovereignty and use of airspace” provisions of statutes that vest authority to regulate aerial activity in the FAA.

The timeline of Austin’s move to study creating an aerial advertising ban overlaps a case in which a district judge in Pennsylvania acted July 17 to dismiss a $1,000 fine levied in April against a flight school and FBO by Radnor Township for allegedly violating a local banner-towing ordinance. The flight school hired an attorney to contest the summons, because “this affects everybody in aviation, not just us,” a company owner told AOPA.

AOPA supported Valley Aviation’s challenge with a letter to local officials.

The association has also pointed in such cases that local ordinances are unrealistic because pilots would not be able to familiarize themselves with the rules for every city and town that a flight may pass over—one of the reasons why sole authority to regulate airspace rests with the FAA, McCaffrey said.

and more

Las Vegas airspace changes lack accommodation for GA
New Class B design effective Aug. 22
July 24, 2013 By AOPA ePublishing staff
FAA graphic not for navigation.
FAA graphic not for navigation.
While making a few minor changes to the originally proposed design, the FAA largely ignored the concerns of AOPA and pilots who use the Las Vegas airspace, raising the Class B ceiling to 10,000 feet throughout without adding transition routes that would increase efficiency and safety. The FAA did indicate it will examine the creation of transition routes, but only after final implementation of the new Class B design Aug. 22.

The final design will force aircraft unable to climb above 10,000 feet to make long, fuel-wasting circumnavigations in cases where a Class B clearance is not provided; the typically high density altitudes mean many general aviation aircraft will be unable to make the climb.

AOPA urged the FAA to reconsider raising the ceiling, noting there was no clear justification for adding this burden to GA operations. The final design retains a hodgepodge of different floors, further complicating VFR navigation in particular.

While AOPA voiced appreciation for the creation of VFR waypoints to ease navigation around the Class B airspace, the FAA stopped well short of implementing the full scope of changes requested through formal comments from AOPA and pilots who operate in the area.
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