Well..... what did Steve say? lol

wyomingiswindy wrote:
But to bring it back home, I did find this vintage footage of Zane.

OregonMaule wrote:

whee wrote:I'm cheap, I like to look outside and read a paper map so I have almost no interest in a foreflight type product that has the associated monthly fees. However if I could get something like shortfield.com on a mobile device I'd pay something like a one time fee of $20 or so.

Wish I had some tech skills I could share but I don't. I'll share what knowledge I do have and will provide pireps to keep things current.

It doesn't pencil. If you want a top notch product with no pop up' sit will cost. Like I said $80 a year for flight guide. They are constantly updating. Pilots make me chuckle. $70000 plane $50 hour for gas and don't want to spend $80 a year for a new what ever.

I also agree, pilots are funny. They also span the financial spectrum. There are those like my neighbor that has a KingAir and a 206. He decided he didn't fly enough stay proficient but rather than sell or get different planes he hired a full time pilot and pays him 60k a year to fly the planes for him. Then you have guys like me that are a single income family, working a regular job that pobly shouldn't be flying at all. $20K airplane, 16 $/hr for fuel and spends $8/yr on a new sectional.

Hope you guys come up with something awesome. The Idaho Aeronautics App is about all I'm looking for. If it had the option to add airport specific pireps it would be all I need/want.

OregonMaule wrote:

whee wrote:I'm cheap, I like to look outside and read a paper map so I have almost no interest in a foreflight type product that has the associated monthly fees. However if I could get something like shortfield.com on a mobile device I'd pay something like a one time fee of $20 or so.

Wish I had some tech skills I could share but I don't. I'll share what knowledge I do have and will provide pireps to keep things current.

It doesn't pencil. If you want a top notch product with no pop up' sit will cost. Like I said $80 a year for flight guide. They are constantly updating. Pilots make me chuckle. $70000 plane $50 hour for gas and don't want to spend $80 a year for a new what ever.

Really?? Your going to pull that line again, Mr Not So Cheapo Pilot??

whee wrote:Hope you guys come up with something awesome. The Idaho Aeronautics App is about all I'm looking for. If it had the option to add airport specific pireps it would be all I need/want.

I was curious so I just downloaded the Idaho Aeronautics app. It's not a bad app especially since it's FREE. I like that it has a density altitude calculator, that will make it super easy to check on the ground before you takeoff. I'm sure a shortfield.com/BCP app could be a lot better and I'll buy it if one is made.

So here is the rub. All that's needed to prevent images from being linked to is this in Apache.

LoadModule rewrite_module /opt/local/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so
# or wherever apache2 resides
<IfModule rewrite_module>
RewriteEngine On
# let's prevent bandwidth attacks by not allowing links to static resources
# allow empty referrers (for when a user types the URL directly) and allow users coming from our website
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://www.websitewheretheimagesarehosted.com [NC]
# prevent images, media files, etc from being hotlinked
RewriteRule "\.(gif|jpg|png|swf|flv|mp3|pdf|xls|zip|doc|ico|xml|txt)$" $0 [F]
</IfModule>

Then nobody gets mad nor makes threats and the world stays on its axis.

Barnstormer, explaining how to configure Apache to someone who doesn't comprehend embedding of remotely hosted images is... well, you know. The conversation gets rough when they're demanding a takedown and you suggest they make config changes to prevent access.

For those not familiar, that code is meant for other web servers responding to the request for the image, in this case the ITD server.

I don't like the topic (meaning subject) of this thread, as it's now morphed into something quite positive.

Mind if we move the software discussion?

Zzz wrote:The conversation gets rough when they're demanding a takedown and you suggest they make config changes to prevent access.

Zane, in no way did I mean to imply you should have done anything differently. Anyone who puts his IP out on the web without understanding the consequences or hiring someone who does, and then threatens legal action is a dolt.

You did right.

Galen had been a Director of the IAA and evidently given the IAA exclusive rights to his photos as long as his copyright concerns were protected. I guess it was thought that the warning on each photo used as well as a warning on the initial page of the airstrips was enough protection. I don’t know who the person was that violated these warnings, but it was done and now BCP nor the IAA appears to have use of the photographs. If Galen was right or wrong, that is up for argument, but I haven’t seen another publication that compares in information for a pilot using the area he has covered. As a publisher of a unique collection of information, I guess he felt that he wanted copyright protection and because someone failed to heed the notices, we all have lost and the blame is on Galen for his desires of protection. I do not have privileged information on these agreements, only gathered and inferred from the warning on the initial airstrip page of the IAA website and on his photos, all of which seems to have been removed from the IAA site.

Jack

Resky,

I don't think anyone has a beef with Galen's desire to protect his copyrighted material (I agree it is unique and great stuff). It just seems odd that he pulled out a legal bazooka on the very folks that are his customer base, when a phone call probably would have resolved his concern. IMHO

Still it's a douchebaggy thing to do.

And foreflight has user comments on airstrips and official pireps. What is to be done that has not been done already?

Still it's a douchebaggy thing to do.

I think the "douchebaggy thing to do" was to cancel his membership so he couldn't present his side of the story.
Gary

shortfielder wrote:

Still it's a douchebaggy thing to do.

I think the "douchebaggy thing to do" was to cancel his membership so he couldn't present his side of the story.
Gary

I'm sorry Gary: you threaten to sue me or a friend, your done, good bye, end of story. Remember, Zane did nothing and was looking at legal action, that is total BS! No excuse is good enough in my mind. A letter to BCP with a full retraction would fix the situation.

I had an issue on a forum where I was excommunicated and I never threatened anyone. TALK ABOUT DOUCHEBAGGY.

G'Day

shortfielder wrote:

Still it's a douchebaggy thing to do.

I think the "douchebaggy thing to do" was to cancel his membership so he couldn't present his side of the story.
Gary

How much of your free services would you give me if I called and threatened to take money out of your pocket with my lawyer? Not only that, but it is in my best interest to deny access to anyone looking for additional lawsuit bones. Step into my shoes.

shortfielder wrote:

Still it's a douchebaggy thing to do.

I think the "douchebaggy thing to do" was to cancel his membership so he couldn't present his side of the story.
Gary

BCP has been threatened with legal action for having an image copyrighted by Galen Hanselman/Fly Idaho linked and/or embedded on backcountrypilot.org

Despite not technically being in violation of copyright infringement as the images in question are not stored on BCP servers, but rather embedded from another web host, legal action has been threatened. This was the case when one of our users recently embedded(not uploaded) a photo from the Idaho Aeronautics website of the Garden Valley airport.

I do not want to have to deal with another takedown request or legal threat, so I'd ask that users respect the wishes of copyright owner Galen Hanselman and/or flyidaho.com and do not embed (or upload) his images on this site.

Thanks.

So Z was going to get sued because one of us LINKED A PHOTO THAT IS ON THE INTERNET??


BARNSTORMERS MAKES IT EASY
YOU KNOW WHERE THIS PHOTO CAME FROM!!

Silly me, just like to hear both sides of the story before I decide who's right or wrong.
Feeling that Galen is a decent guy I feel the action wasn't unprovoked.
I think too much of it got exposed to the internet. Knowing the folks involved I am surprised it couldn't have been settled between them.
Sounds like several folks bashin Galen, probly don't know him or both sides of the story.
I'm not interested in getting in a pissin contest here, I don't know both sides either, I just think it's better to have all the info before passin judgement.
Kinda like all the armchair speculation when someone has a wreck.
Gary

This is actually funny, I saw his stuff and was gonna send one as a Xmas gift. This thread stopped that, so he won't be getting the $0.38, or whatever he earns from each book sale, from my wallet.

This site is hosted, and the host can and should remove someone threatening a suit for something that is not violating copyright laws (but would still cost money to defend). Removing this guy was hardly douchbaggy (a term I have never actually used before) but just good business sense on the part of Zzz.

Why you would come to Zzz's site to get Galen's side of the story anyway?

From the Urban Dictionary, I hope this isn't copyrighted

douchebaggy
Of or like a douchebag. Exhibiting qualities that are douchebag-like, such is to say void of any sense of "cool", highly unpleasant, usually male, often showing a excess of confidence, jerkyiness, prickishness and complete lack or awareness that they are personifying a douchebag.

- "Hey man, wanna go to that new bar?"

- "Naw bro, it's way too douchebaggy, with all the $2 jaegerbomb slamming types running around thumping their chests."

- "The scene is way too douchebaggy for my tastes. All they play is Nickeback and Creed all the damn time... and everyone's always screaming "jaegerbombs bro!"

[quoteWhy you would come to Zzz's site to get Galen's side of the story anyway?][/quote]
I have lots of reasons for coming here and have made many friends through it over the years. I wouldn't have any problem with him cancelling Galen's membership in the beginning,if he had kept it between themselves, I just feel when it became part of a public forum, then all the cards should be put on the table.
I know that Zane puts in countless hours and I think he does a great job. The job has to be like herdin cats.
I said what I wanted and will stick with it.
I'm done with this thread.
Gary

Zzz did the right thing, and has been even handed in his explanation.