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blackrock wrote:TSA was taking too many of my knifes so I stopped donating, or rather carrying regularly.

I keep a Mora in the plane as the emergency knife, though.


I had a small knife at PDX which was buried in my carry on (never thought it was there). TSA gave me a box to ship to Hawaii for $10.00. It arrived at my apartment! And I still get TSA pre-check!

I have a friend who was checking some hiking boots on that he hadn't worn for awhile got to where he was going and found he had left a half stick of dynamite in them and got to take it on a plane. Guess tsa was sleeping then
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A1Skinner wrote:I always have a Victorinox swiss army knife in my pocket.


Same. I attribute this to watching Macgyver in my impressionable years.

My parents are both swiss and dad always carries one. Wore off on me. The fact that there is only one factory and it's in Switzerland is also cool. No outsourcing.
Not to mention they are good quality.
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A1Skinner wrote:My parents are both swiss and dad always carries one. Wore off on me. The fact that there is only one factory and it's in Switzerland is also cool. No outsourcing.
Not to mention they are good quality.


I currently have 2: The Camper, which is fairly small but lacks a locking main blade, and The Trailmaster which is a lockblade and has a saw and Phillips driver instead of corkscrew. I wish I could average them out in size and features. The lockblade is a little hefty for everyday pocket travel.
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A1Skinner wrote:My parents are both swiss and dad always carries one. Wore off on me. The fact that there is only one factory and it's in Switzerland is also cool. No outsourcing.
Not to mention they are good quality.


I currently have 2: The Camper, which is fairly small but lacks a locking main blade, and The Trailmaster which is a lockblade and has a saw and Phillips driver instead of corkscrew. I wish I could average them out in size and features. The lockblade is a little hefty for everyday pocket travel.

Agreed. I used to pack a Leatherman in my pocket all the time. But it's a bit big an I have broken morw then I care to mention...
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Leatherman Wave. I go out of my way to try to find the early version, but they're getting hard to come by. Lately I've been trying my hand at making knives. First a santoku, and recently an ulu. Handles are G10 with brass corby bolts.

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Swiss Army Knives are great. It's a miracle of modern manufacturing that they aren't $300 each.

Some years ago my nephew turned seven so I decided it was time for him to have a knife, and I chose a genuine SAK. I also bought him The Dangerous Book for Boys, which turned out to be a bit of a disappointment, or at least a misleading title.

Following is the letter I set with his knife, and my brother's reply. I've changed the names to protect the innocent.

Happy Birthday Nephew!

I had high hopes for The Dangerous Book For Boys. I envisioned essays on hunting people for sport, making a prison wallet out of a Vicks tube, do-it-yourself punji sticks, etc.. After reading a bit of it however, I decided it wasn't quite dangerous enough. Hence the knife.

This is probably both the best and cruelest gift you'll ever get. It's the best because, well, it's a knife! It's the worst because your parents probably wont let you have it to yourself for a while. Just to be clear, it is YOUR knife, but your parents have unlimited rights to control how and when you use it, which for quite a while will probably be limited and under direct supervision. It's like a gift to the whole family!

Remember, this is not a toy, and it's not make-believe. This is a gateway into the world of adults and must be treated as such. It's a big responsibility, and responsibility often goes hand in hand with pain. If you pretend to be a superhero and do any of the things superheros do with knives it will be taken away from you and you won't see it for another long, long year. If you loose it, well, it just sucks to be you, 'cause I lost knives when I was young and it still hurts.

Even though the temptation to take your knife out of the house will be strong, don't. If you take it to school you'll be kicked out of school and the police will take your knife away and you'll never ever ever see it again. If you ever cut your sister or anyone besides yourself with the knife you'll probably get spanked into the stone age and, needless to say, loose your knife forever.

This is also a test. If you do what your parents tell you and prove that you are responsible and mature with your knife then eventually I'll be able to get you a hatchet and a rifle. If you have tantrums and whine and misbehave with the knife, I'll never be able to convince your parents to let you have those things.

My recommendation is to master the non-cutting blades first. This will teach hand coordination with fewer lacerated fingers. Using the bottle opener to open Daddy's beer seems like a good start. Opening tin cans is also lots of fun, though you'll probably cut yourself on the can lid a few times. Keep at it and you'll find opening cans is very rewarding. It takes a lot of practice to get good with a knife. Take it slow and be careful and you'll eventually cut yourself slightly less often.

Since you will cut yourself, here are some guidelines for bleeding: Don't bleed on nice things. Blood is really hard to get out, and if you bleed all over the nice things in the house your parents won't be very excited about letting you use the knife. Scream and cry as little as possible. It doesn't help anything, it upsets your parents, and it is wasted energy since as a knife owner, you're going to get lots of cuts in your lifetime. Get used to it. Stare resolutely into the distance and say something like "it's just a flesh wound".

Most cuts are really not that bad. When you cut yourself, put pressure on the cut with your hand, then politely ask your parents to put a bandaid on your cut. A bandaid and a little pressure and they'll stop bleeding in a couple minutes and stop hurting in a couple hours. However, if when you grab the cut it looks like you're squeezing a blood-soaked sponge, you need to let one of your parents know as quickly as possible. Limited screaming and bleeding on nice things is OK in this situation. Ask your dad about the time he cut the end of his thumb off with my hatchet.

So Nephew, Happy Birthday and enjoy your journey into the wonderful and sometimes bloody world of knives. We’ve included a doctor kit for your sister, so be nice to her…you might need it.

love Uncle Irreverent and Aunt Doubtful (who, for the record, didn't think this was nearly as good an idea as I did.)




A few days later I got this from my brother:



Dear Irreverent and Doubtful,

Thank you so much for the great birthday gifts and birthday letters for the kids!  I think there is more boys' wisdom, dangerous and otherwise, in your letter than in the whole dangerous book for boys.  Nephew greatly enjoyed having me read the letter to him, and was quite interested to hear about the incident with my thumb and the hatchet.  The letter for Niece was also quite appropriate, and she carried around the little doctor's kit for several days.  Mom often tells her she has "soft hands, like a doctor", and she has taken this to heart.

On to the irony!  Of course Nephew was excited out of his mind to have received his Very Own knife from Uncle Irreverent and very keen to try it out ASAP.  Opinions on this went pretty much along gender lines in a predictable fashion, but I said that I would supervise the use.  I didn't have any beer handy (a sad state of affairs), so we opted to have Nephew cut the scotch tape along the seam of another gift box.  He couldn't get the short blade open, so he went for the long blade.  Holding the box with his left hand, he went for the piece of tape on the right, but the blade caught on the cardboard.  The intuitive solution was to apply more force, and when the cardboard gave way the blade continued on to the obvious stopping point, his left hand.  All of this took about 20 seconds, and I'd say I saw where it was going about 5 seconds too late.  Lots of ensuing "appropriate responses" ensued following the guidelines outlined in your letter, and after getting the bleeding under control with direct pressure (no blood on anything expensive - yayy!), we headed off to urgent care.  They took us right in for triage, wrapped him up, and we waited just a little while for the stitches (four).  The doctor was really great, and Niece acted as his assistant.  Nephew was quite brave, and only hollered a little bit when the stitching started a bit before the anesthetic was fully engaged.

Reactions to the whole situation also went pretty much along gender lines; Mother has been relatively mortified about the whole thing, I am exceedingly proud of Nephew for being such a fast learner, and he has been having a blast telling all his friends about the knife, the accident, and the stitches.  Since the accident he has opened a few beers for me but hasn't regained interest in cutting anything just yet.  I reckon we'll go hand-in-hand for the next cutting tasks, and he’s just fine with that.

Anyway, all's well that ends well, and we are all doing great.

Much love,

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Dear Brother,

After reading your letter and seeing the photos I recalled having a twinge of doubt over the age-appropriateness of the knife when I bought it, and I'd like to thank you for proving beyond any doubt that it was indeed the best gift ever! I mean, how many presents can you think of that will turn a seven-year-olds birthday into a seminal event that is seared into the collective consciousness of the entire family? And stitches on his very first try! I couldn't be more proud. I had to cut myself dozens of times before I got stitches, though I've since learned that many of the cuts actually should have been stitched up, but that might have cost money. The fact that a major wound was the result of NOT having any beer handy is puzzling, but I guess it just goes to show that the mysteries of the universe are endless indeed.

I'm sure that while driving to the Urgent Care Nephew's Mother could talk about nothing except what marvelous judgement I showed by sending Nephew a knife before I send him a hatchet. I'm rather proud of that bit of restraint myself. No doubt when the story was relayed to the doctor he got a serious look on his face and said something to the extent of "You know, if Uncle Irreverent hadn't been so responsible, Nephew here could have lost an entire finger." I notice that Niece was so excited to go to the Urgent Care that she didn't even change out of her jammies...now that's a kid that really wanted to see the Urgent Care! For the record I wanted to put a full suture kit, replete with syringes, lydocane and 5.0 silk sutures in Niece’s doctor kit, but Aunt Doubtful wouldn't let me. She's doing a pretty good job of hiding it, but I know that now she feels pretty dumb for not listening to me.

I've since tried to find a copy of the knife safety book "Don't Do What Johnny Don't Does", but apparently it's out of print. While it's amazingly hard to remember, most of knife safety seems to boil down to "don't cut towards any part of your body". Also, perhaps safety goggles would be appropriate for a while. I fear that Mother’s opinion of me might suffer if Nephew had to go on medical marijuana while healing from his eye stitches.

Glad it all ended OK.
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Classic! Should be published!

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Haha! Awesome Hammer.
Just don't do this with your knives...
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That's why I never went to college. Surprised they gave me my PPL! Haha.
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A1Skinner wrote:Haha! Awesome Hammer.
Just don't do this with your knives...
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That's why I never went to college. Surprised they gave me my PPL! Haha.


This behavior is actually in encouraged in our house amongst the grand children. I often leave paper clips around for just such an occasion. I was always told that the best way to learn, is to do and they won't do that twice.[emoji6]

Hammer, you sir, are a gifted writer if not a true poet. I do believe I am a bit dehydrated from the tears your writing has brought to my eyes. Bravo to you good sir![emoji106]

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That was awesome, Hammer! My kids both got their first knives on their 7th birthdays, too. No major injuries so far, and nothing expensive has been bled on yet. :D
They really enjoy whittling when we're out camping.
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Perfect timing.. last weekend my 10 year old grandson saw me with my knife (Buck 55) and asked if he could whittle. Sure, I said.. I'll show you how. Didn't take long...... Next week we are going to make fire.......

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That was awesome, Hammer!!!
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First thing I did with the Buck knife my dad bought for me at age 8 was to run my thumb down the blade to test the sharpness. Lesson #1 learned...
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denalipilot wrote:Leatherman Wave. I go out of my way to try to find the early version, but they're getting hard to come by. Lately I've been trying my hand at making knives. First a santoku, and recently an ulu. Handles are G10 with brass corby bolts.




You plannin to sell those? 'cuz I'd be willing to buy one.
All the ones I saw while in Alaska were made in China so I passed on one.
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"And stitches on his very first try! I couldn't be more proud." Priceless.

My wife was always braver than me, and our son ended up being chief fish filleter for three years on the boat: Never once cut himself, often in rough seas.

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Bagarre wrote:
denalipilot wrote:Leatherman Wave. I go out of my way to try to find the early version, but they're getting hard to come by. Lately I've been trying my hand at making knives. First a santoku, and recently an ulu. Handles are G10 with brass corby bolts.




You plannin to sell those? 'cuz I'd be willing to buy one.
All the ones I saw while in Alaska were made in China so I passed on one.



Thanks Bagarre- I don't have any plans to produce any for sale at this time. Have made a couple for gifts. It's fun, but it's a lot of work. For an ulu, start with a good plywood circular saw blade without carbide teeth. If a blade has carbide teeth, then the body of the blade won't have a high carbon content. If it lacks carbide teeth, like many plywood blades, there's a better chance the entire saw blade is produced using high-carbon steel. Or look here for all the materials you'd ever need.
Yeah, caveat emptor on 4th Avenue. Juneau too, I'm sure.
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Bagarre wrote:
denalipilot wrote:Leatherman Wave. I go out of my way to try to find the early version, but they're getting hard to come by. Lately I've been trying my hand at making knives. First a santoku, and recently an ulu. Handles are G10 with brass corby bolts.




You plannin to sell those? 'cuz I'd be willing to buy one.
All the ones I saw while in Alaska were made in China so I passed on one.



Thanks Bagarre- I don't have any plans to produce any for sale at this time. Have made a couple for gifts. It's fun, but it's a lot of work. For an ulu, start with a good plywood circular saw blade without carbide teeth. If a blade has carbide teeth, then the body of the blade won't have a high carbon content. If it lacks carbide teeth, like many plywood blades, there's a better chance the entire saw blade is produced using high-carbon steel. Or look here for all the materials you'd ever need.
Yeah, caveat emptor on 4th Avenue. Juneau too, I'm sure.
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Thanks for the site.
http://usaknifemaker.com/knife-blades/k ... -inch.html
Looks like a good place to start but I'd want to cut it down a bit.
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I really enjoy scandi ground high carbon knives with rather large wood handles. This is the sort of knife I reach for whenever I have a cutting chore and a choice of knives.
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But a knife that I end up carrying and using a lot has none of that. It’s the Fallkniven F1, which supposedly is the official survival knife of the Swedish Air Force. I’ve always wondered if those little red fish are the official snack of the Swedish Navy…

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The Fallkniven F1 has few of the characteristics I like in a knife…it’s convex ground, stainless steel, with a smallish synthetic handle. But it’s just a really, really usable knife.

I’m not a fan of stainless steel for the most part, but the laminated VG10 stainless used in the F1 is a very good steel. It takes a shaving edge with normal sharpening methods and holds it well. They also make the knife in 3G, a wonder-steel that’s all the rage lately, but which requires specialized tools and techniques to sharpen and which I’ve never been able to make as sharp as other steels. None of the 3G knives I own get any regular use just for that reason. The difference between a shaving-sharp knife and a just-sharp knife is pretty noticeable.

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The Thermorun handle is comfortable to me and my XXL hands. Some folks complain that it’s too small, but I find it adequate and quite appreciate not having to lug around a half pound of canvas Micarta handle material. These knives are available with custom handles for people who want that, but you get to pay for it.

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The blade is 4.5mm thick, making it a fairly beefy knife. Any thicker and I wouldn’t pack it. It’s a laminated blade, meaning that the edge is made from a harder steel laminated into softer steel that makes up the body of the knife. This makes for a tougher knife, as hard steel is also brittle steel. By using hard steel only on the cutting edge they get a very tough knife that still holds a great edge.

The tang runs through the handle and comes out the back so if for some reason you had to pound it into something, you’d be pounding on steel instead of handle material. The stoutness of the knife means that it’s suitable for careful battoning and splitting chores…something I’m hesitant to do with more delicate knives. Fact of the matter is I think that if you were careful and took your time you could baton this knife lengthwise though an airplane float if that was somehow advantageous to you. Unlike a lot of other knives, its robust construction doesn't get in the way of being useful. It's a good cutter.

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Notching around a dry Douglas Fir sapling to make a breaking point.
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Splitting the broken piece.
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Making tinder and kindling.
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The size of the knife is pretty decent. It’s the largest knife I’ll regularly cary with me but I’m not a fan of big knives…bigger than that and I’ll go for an axe.

Frankly one of the reasons I end up carrying the Fallkniven as much as I do is because of its stainless and synthetic construction. Love carbon steel and wood handles though I do, there’s a time and place for synthetics. If I’m going to lug a knife around I keep it handy, not in a dry bag or backpack, so it’s exposed to whatever I am.

21 days in Grand Canyon in December when nothing ever drys out and you can go for weeks without warming sunlight? I had enough chores to do every day to stay moderately dry and warm…dealing with a rusting knife didn’t need to be one of them. Rust attacks the edge first, so someone fastidious about sharpness isn't going to be real happy with a rusty blade.

Sea kayaking trip in the Sea of Cortez? Same deal…a carbon steel knife would rust to the point of distraction.

Kayaking in Nepal at the tail end of the monsoon? Stainless, please.

The Fallkniven F1 is to me a lot like a Glock. A blued 1911 might have all the class and be a joy to use, but the Glock gets the job done in any conditions without being pampered. Sometimes that’s just what I want.

Fallkniven makes several models of fixed blade and folding knives and I've yet to see one I didn't like. Prices are moderate...between one and three hundred dollars, which is what a lot of factory folders go for these days. In my experience the Fallkniven knives are a much better product than most US made factory knives, including the fancy brands.
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