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Well it happened.. First engine out

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scottf wrote:I should probably know the answer to this, but hypothetically if one were to experience a loss of power in flight, if the pilot were to ball up and total the airplane they would essentially be payed out by insurance per the policy and agreed upon hull value. If one lands with no damage, does insurance do anything?



I'm over-insured do I get money!? ;)
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Short_Straw wrote:thank you for the words of encouragement. They are much needed! I was fine as it was happening, but as of now I'm a bit shaken up and anxious about getting back behind the stick. Which I appreciate because I know cocky- ness kills..

Get flying again as quick as you can. The longer you wait the more apprehension will build up. Get an instructor and rental for an hour. Don't wait for your plane to be diagnosed. Get back on that horse ASAP. You'll sleep better. :-)
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Followed up on my water theory gain, and every drain is all clean dry fuel.

next place to look?
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Pull the spark plugs keeping track of where they came from, look @ the color & for soot

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Good job by the way
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Obstruction in the fuel line perhaps?

Great job on getting you and the plane down safelt.
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Excellent job!!!

In military flying we're required to verbatim memorize our immediate action EPs.

The best way I've found to do it is pacing around and reciting the steps out loud until they're down rote and then chair flying them.

I don't know if this method will work for you but if you're wanting to improve your EPs it's worked for me so hopefully it helps!
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Re: Well it happened.. First engine out

When I had my total engine failure 10 1/2 years ago and landed successfully in a field, my responses were exactly what I'd been taught 31 years earlier. My initial instructor was constantly doing engine out exercises, multiple times each lesson, to the extent that I was getting frustrated at what I perceived as a waste of time and money. He would just smile and say, "Someday you'll thank me, Cary." He was right. Do it enough times, and it's indelibly impressed in the psyche. Whether it's "muscle memory" or "imprinting" or whatever one wants to call it, it works.

On the "why" of your engine failure, SS, there can be lots of reasons, not just fuel issues. Best to have your IA do some trouble-shooting.

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Good job. Glad you can chalk that one up as a good live-to-tell post.

Lots of great advice thus far in this thread too. Good luck on your checkride.
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I've had 2 dead sticks and an engine fire, and now you've joined the club. There's no louder silence then when that one and only engine stops.
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I wouldn't question the things you didn't do. A human can only juggle about a dozen things, so if you missed something but got the plane on the ground, you simply prioritized and got the important ones right. My first real emergency came with smoke in the cockpit, so it was the first time I'd shut the master off first and everything else last. I've since done some practice with the master off, but nothing as memorable as the one with the adrenaline flowing through the blood. Good story, good job.
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scottf wrote:I should probably know the answer to this, but hypothetically if one were to experience a loss of power in flight, if the pilot were to ball up and total the airplane they would essentially be payed out by insurance per the policy and agreed upon hull value. If one lands with no damage, does insurance do anything?


I don't think so. They are insuring the hull for *damage* from an accident. The engine failure itself is not covered. Been there, done that.
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Sounds like a possible fuel starvation issue. I had an adventure like yours once, and it turned out to have been caused by a clogged screen at the carb fuel inlet. Someone asked me if I'd kept the engine running by pumping the primer. Doh! Never even occurred to me...but it sure will next time.
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None are fun especially the first one Unless you are doing it for Practice. Just had a friends article (Skypic) published in the Sept EAA Sport Aviation magazine page 80-84 on accuracy practice Engine out, Short field landing and takeoff. Here is the inside photo of my Bird in the articleImage
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Great job! Glad you are still with us. Lord knows we have seen enough carnage this year.

Sounds like you did everything right.
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Re: Well it happened.. First engine out

scottf wrote:I should probably know the answer to this, but hypothetically if one were to experience a loss of power in flight, if the pilot were to ball up and total the airplane they would essentially be payed out by insurance per the policy and agreed upon hull value. If one lands with no damage, does insurance do anything?


No. Including if the cause of the emergency was a rod through the block of that expensive new engine you just installed. They don't insure engines, that's one reason they call it "Hull Insurance". When you operate a turbine, the owner if said turbine may have a serious chat with you about that concept.....since the engine may be worth more than the "hull".

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On my one high one, listening to the GO-300 destroy itself on the long way down, I considered hooking the one tree on the road out of Santa Domingo Pueblo. I couldn't afford the $4'000 to fix it. Sucked it up and took my medicine. Removed and replaced the engine in the Governor's front yard. Turned out he was one of my Navajo student's uncle.
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Short_Straw wrote:
GumpAir wrote:The story Son.... Tell us the story. What happened? What did you do?

Gump




I'm sorry I left out all the good stuff out! I was climbing to get over a hill to get back into the Ashland side of the valley from what I can remember I was around 4,700 climbing when It dropped from 2400RPM to 1200 in a heart beat, no running rough or signs it was going south. I don't remember turning towards MFR but as I was pitching for glide I looked up and was heading to the numbers. Once glide was set I looked around for something I must have overlooked, tried carb heat no difference, tried mags and no change, but when I added power it died.
Now coming into MFR's class D I was trying to get a hold of them but they couldn't make out anything I was saying, I heard them but they couldn't understand my transmissions. Fearing I would have to bomb in unannounced I squawked emergence and that got his attention a bit! So he guided me in only able to answer in staticy sound blasts until I was about 5 miles out, then I could make an audible transmission, was able to declare an emergency, and make a request (which was denied lol). But I ended up high on a right base, slipped hard to get down on final once I knew I was made and had a pretty nice touch down for a low time TW driver! Met with the emergency services and kissed the ground. I feel it went as well as a crappy situation could have gone...


A fuel starvation situation would create those symptoms (e.g. blockage).

What request did/can they deny an aircraft during an emergency?
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Mike, wow, nice job of getting that 170 back on the ground safely!!!!!!

=D> =D>
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chosstronaut wrote:Mike, wow, nice job of getting that 170 back on the ground safely!!!!!!

=D> =D>



Wernt we just talking about this like two days ago haha! Maybe I jinxed myself!


Okay so I tore into it a little, all of the cables are doing what they should, nothing is stuck in the induction, I'm still not sure about fuel starvation. My mechanic who I wholeheartedly trust thinks it could be a stuck valve. One thing I noticed was a significant amount of ash in the exhaust, which would point to some sort of lean running issue correct?

Can someone shed any light on the valve issue, I didn't how one cylinder down would cause that extent of power loss with 5 others to take over, but apparently it messes with the entire fuel flow? Brian could you explain?
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chosstronaut wrote:Mike, wow, nice job of getting that 170 back on the ground safely!!!!!!

=D> =D>



Wernt we just talking about this like two days ago haha! Maybe I jinxed myself!


Okay so I tore into it a little, all of the cables are doing what they should, nothing is stuck in the induction, I'm still not sure about fuel starvation. My mechanic who I wholeheartedly trust thinks it could be a stuck valve. One thing I noticed was a significant amount of ash in the exhaust, which would point to some sort of lean running issue correct?

Can someone shed any light on the valve issue, I didn't how one cylinder down would cause that extent of power loss with 5 others to take over, but apparently it messes with the entire fuel flow? Brian could you explain?



As in, exhaust valve stuck open?
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