I thought you were on vacation...smart guy...

flightlogic wrote:I thought you were on vacation...

Still am. Kinda. Just can't quit.

Zane wrote:

flightlogic wrote:I thought you were on vacation...

Still am. Kinda. Just can't quit.

This is like a drug, right??

I travel every week. Have every imaginable device from i pad 3 to fiber optic magnetometer in my briefcase.... but, when I hit a bank and wait in line, coffee shop... hotel pillow... I am soon url' ing to BCP.
Is that an addictive personality? Maybe I need counseling. Or better music.
Thankful that Barnstormers is alphabetically next door in the favorites list too.

Lots of interesting discussion on this one. Personally, I would have shut it down when it failed to climb out of ground effect the first time after a very long take-off run. But then all I know is the few minutes that are on the recording. They may have had a discussion prior to taking off. Don't be so quick to judge the guy with the camera. He just survived a plane crash and nearly died. To say he was in shock is an understatement. How people react in the first few minutes after a major trauma varies widely. He went back to doing what he was doing before the accident. Filming. Lots of people do that, they are trying to get reoriented and go back to what they know. Many people take hours and even days to be able to function after an accident. I doubt that it was a conscious effort. I spent several frantic minutes looking for a woman's child that she claimed was in a wrecked car. Only to find out later that the child had passed away 2 years before.

I think from reading previous posts... you might be a physician. So, I stand corrected.
Shock might explain the behavior. After the shock wears off though.... to think you are a star of some kind with viral viewing behavior the way it is... and saying the pilot saved you... is just plain stupid.

The pilot can't blame the go decision on shock, however. You can't fix stupid.

flightlogic wrote:I think from reading previous posts... you might be a physician. So, I stand corrected.
Shock might explain the behavior. After the shock wears off though.... to think you are a star of some kind with viral viewing behavior the way it is... and saying the pilot saved you... is just plain stupid.

Not trying to correct anyone. Just throwing out a possible explanation for some of the actions, AFTER the crash. I fully agree the decision to take off was flawed.
But I think I read somewhere.."What don't kill you only makes you stronger".
Not a doctor, I'm a surgical nurse with 20+ years of experience and have I have been on multiple SAR teams. Also an avid dirt biker, snowmobiler, skier, and pilot. So I've seen my share of carnage.

I fully agree that "you can't fix stupid".

S-12Flyer wrote:Lots of interesting discussion on this one. Don't be so quick to judge the guy with the camera. He just survived a plane crash and nearly died. To say he was in shock is an understatement. How people react in the first few minutes after a major trauma varies widely. He went back to doing what he was doing before the accident. Filming. Lots of people do that, they are trying to get reoriented and go back to what they know. Many people take hours and even days to be able to function after an accident. I doubt that it was a conscious effort. I spent several frantic minutes looking for a woman's child that she claimed was in a wrecked car. Only to find out later that the child had passed away 2 years before.

this reminded me of a old FD experience. this has happened to many a fire fighter, as you you arrive a frantic person totally loosing it, screaming, sobbing and sometimes trying to reenter a burning building. screaming my baby! turns out baby is a cat or some other animal. people don't think properly when traumatized. you can see it in the young mans face the way he stairs into the camera.

g'day

......people don't think properly when traumatized. you can see it in the young mans face the way he stairs into the camera.

I have seen that same look on the face of a young new fireman at the scene of his first horrific traffic accident, too......
They get sent to sit on the running board of the engine at that point.

lc

Littlecub wrote:

......people don't think properly when traumatized. you can see it in the young mans face the way he stairs into the camera.

I have seen that same look on the face of a young new fireman at the scene of his first horrific traffic accident, too......
They get sent to sit on the running board of the engine at that point.

lc

roger that too lc!

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I have been reading and waiting. I am sorry that I waited for someone to say it first, but you're right on.

I have read every post on this site, trying to wrap my head around what happens in the mountains every day. I have not been there, but 107 degrees in West Texas screws the hell out of power. At sometime a man has to say " this shit ain't happening"

If you are alone and suicidal, go for it.

As my instructor used to say during abnormal operation training, " at this point you're fucked, try your best not to take anybody else with you".



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Among all the other dumb things mentioned he did, it would be interesting to find out if he was also trying to fly a magenta line.

Avweb's take on the video:

I think the other thing to take consideration of, is knowing the area terrain, landscape, and rivers nearby, too. We all know the pilot should not have attempted to take off when he did. But, I'm thinking that if he knew the terrain very well, a very shallow turn to the north to pick up the river might have been a good option. Last time I was up there near Bruce Meadows, I remember a lot of open space and meadows along the river that flows to the west. Either A, better landing options with fewer trees. Or B, descending terrain over the river then down the valleys to the west. Plus, there are a couple of roads that run kind of parallel to the river.

But hey, that’s just my 2 cents and me being a Monday quarterback.

Not a backcountry expert like most of the folks here, but it sure looks like he "flys" a long way over what looks like billiard-table smooth, if rising terrain before finding those trees. If it won't climb out of ground effect, it looked like he had plenty of time to just cut the power and land straight ahead.

best,
O-2

Among all the other dumb things mentioned he did, it would be interesting to find out if he was also trying to fly a magenta line.

Have you noticed the bumps when you hit those? OMG

lc

one thing to remember...if the pilot had not yet "turfed" an airplane, and most haven't...it is damn hard to believe it is actually happening and that u r gonna crash...hard! most pilots i know, have made their lives out of not quitting things. throwing in the towel as a pilot is harder than most know...i'm thinking that the old stinson had always performed OK, and it didn't make sense as to why it wouldn't climb well enough to avoid what happened...just returned from wyo and my BFR with the official Husky/pitts test pilot in afton, and boy did i need that. didnt use any pavement, and longest strip was 1600'...fwiw, learned more about slips and getting your slow flight dialed in short order...thank-you Mark Heiner...!

jomac wrote:one thing to remember...if the pilot had not yet "turfed" an airplane, and most haven't...it is damn hard to believe it is actually happening and that u r gonna crash...hard! most pilots i know, have made their lives out of not quitting things. throwing in the towel as a pilot is harder than most know...i'm thinking that the old stinson had always performed OK, and it didn't make sense as to why it wouldn't climb well enough to avoid what happened...just returned from wyo and my BFR with the official Husky/pitts test pilot in afton, and boy did i need that. didnt use any pavement, and longest strip was 1600'...fwiw, learned more about slips and getting your slow flight dialed in short order...thank-you Mark Heiner...!

Stopped at Afton on our way home and chatted with Mark while the turb settled down.

http://www.aopa.org/training/articles/2012/120814youtube-crash-pilot-was-going-to-abort.html
More info. It's always interesting to see how tidbits of info render a new picture. It's nice to hear he's still healthy, and might even be able to fly again, no matter what some people will say.