It looks like JC is leading the votes, hands down. The only question left is: When are we going, the weekend of Friday, June 5 or Friday, June 12, 2009? Supercub's are at JC, Friday, June 19, 09. Is the 185 Club going to JC this year?

It is always hard to predict weather. It appears historically that the earlier in June will increase the chances of rain or even snow. Did we not have it the last weekend in June last year? I vote for June 27, 28 weekend.

I think Johnson Creek has had more accidents because it has had many times more operations than any other place in the Idaho backcountry. Johnson Creek is the premier place for fly-ins. You still must pay attention.
This is not like landing in Florida or other flat land place.

flyer

Little John wrote:8) It looks like JC is leading the votes, hands down.

I am like the Democrats, I want enough recounts tell I win.

Tim

Hey guys, I have never been to JC, but would a J-3 with a 85 have any problems getting in there? A PA-11 with a 90?

Not sure I have any experience with that but two years ago a guy in a Cessna 120 came in there. I am sure you can land the thing. I would get there in the morning.


tim

A PA11 with a 90 could fly out of there with 2 people full of fuel on a hot day. No problem.

Bent sheet metal?

Is that one of those dreaded 'Spontaneous Random Metal Modification' incidents?

Tito wrote:A PA11 with a 90 could fly out of there with 2 people full of fuel on a hot day. No problem.

I agree. However, you and your passenger better not be 'stout', NO camping gear, and lightning holes in your toothbrushes to be anywhere near Gross Wt.

My answer to the PA-11 or J-3 with a 90 hp into JC summer mid-day would be a qualified yes.
Solo. You give up the passenger to accomodate camping gear, food, survival kit, gas, and a few other 'comfort' items. I'm not comfortable with a low gas tank in the back country with that airplane. In a stiff headwind your groundspeed would be safe in a school zone. Been there. That headwind better figure daylight into the mix, too.

any winds in those mtns...best be on the ground...turbo-charged or not,
those mtns in the wind will eat your lunch...as has been said, early am
till 10 or so, eve's 8-10 p.m. watch the evenings, though.came out
of sulphur at 8.30 p.m last june at 65 deg. and my turbo 182 struggled
big time...only had 550 lbs on board...

Aviatorpa11 wrote:would a J-3 with a 85 have any problems getting in there? A PA-11 with a 90?

I'll be there with my Luscombe, wife, and camping gear...unless it is on the 28th. Just gotta fly early in the morning.

jomac wrote:any winds in those mtns...best be on the ground...turbo-charged or not,
those mtns in the wind will eat your lunch...as has been said, early am
till 10 or so, eve's 8-10 p.m. watch the evenings, though.came out
of sulphur at 8.30 p.m last june at 65 deg. and my turbo 182 struggled
big time...only had 550 lbs on board...

Your personal rules sure limits the times you can fly. I took a Mtn Flying class a few years back in Chalis Id. We finished up our flying by noon each day.

I would trade that turbo in for some good mtn flying training if I were you. No matter what the situation is, the training will do more good than the turbo.

Tim

you know, tim, you might be right. but, after wrecking one a/c in '05,
growing up at falconberry on loon ck., and flying lots of different missions
in and around the middle fork, i've learned to respect the deep canyons
of idaho. having spent more than most on training in that area, i think i
have a pretty good feel for how to keep myself and passengers safe.
you can fly in and out of there any time u want, feel free...! most of my
early stuff was in call-airs and stinsons, all very good, capable birds.
next time u r up here, hire someone u trust and have them show u all
the pieces of a/c laying all over, it is not pretty, but we can learn from it.
one of the best, from challis, went down 2 yrs ago, flying late in the a.m.,
taking out himself and customer on big-game search. increasing winds
heat, and etc...were the culprits. all i'm saying is to draw your own
personal minimums and live with them...or don't.

I like Schaeffer in MT. Beautiful setting and definately back country. But they discourage much activity so if we go kind of have to stay for a few days.

Even if BCP doesn't go there be sure and visit when the Montana Pilots do their work day. A great group and you'll eat like a king.

Just got a call from the aeronautics department...the dates for JC in June are open except for 19-21 but they said they will fill up fast.

Are we going to start a poll for which weekend?

M5guy wrote:I like Schaeffer in MT. Beautiful setting and definately back country. But they discourage much activity so if we go kind of have to stay for a few days.

Even if BCP doesn't go there be sure and visit when the Montana Pilots do their work day. A great group and you'll eat like a king.

The rules at Schafer are the same for any strip in the Wilderness Areas. You shouldn't be using them just to land only to turn around to blast off again. They are intended to be destinations. When the wilderness rules were made the Bob Marshall Complex was made first, before anything in Idaho. Pilot groups were naive back then at the intentions of the wacko environmentalists. As a consequence only Schafer was allowed to remain open and several were closed, you can see all the closed ones today when you fly over them. Schafer also had a limit placed upon it of about 550 operations per year. Some operations don't count, such as medevacs and any fire fighting activity.
After that happened the pilot groups and politicians got wise and the result is all the strips currently open in the wilderness areas of Idaho.

Looks like Johnson Creek wins!

Look for the new post for a vote on the date.

Rob

cool, rob. sounds like you've done a fair amount of flying in our fair state. hope to see you this summer, and i'll buy breakfast at sulphur in a.m...hopefully don will be there cooking...

jomac wrote:cool, rob. sounds like you've done a fair amount of flying in our fair state. hope to see you this summer, and i'll buy breakfast at sulphur in a.m...hopefully don will be there cooking...

Thanks, I'm in. I'll bring you some Oregon Micro brews


Rob