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Ambush wrote:Had a tough time finding comparison pictures of the Desser 8.50x6... so here are mine that I just installed on a M7. Much stiffer Goodyear 8.00x6's are the tires being replaced. Added 2.5'' to prop clearance.


Awesome comparison! Thanks for posting the prop clearance increase. That’s precisely the info I’ve been looking for.
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aftCG wrote:Here's what they look like on my Citabria
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I have a 7ECA here and the owner wants to put the Desser tires on legally. Previous mechanic put them on but no paperwork. issues with brake calipers rubing the tires. Haven't checked on the availability of the STC SA3019WE or the instructions for it. Googled and and found this thread. Any help getting these installed both correcctly and legally would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm curious as well how all these airplanes are being approved on these, or any other 8.50 x 6.00 tires.

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Shackle wrote:aftCG- I went through a similar struggle when trying to do the same thing to my Decathlon and ended up going right to the factory with the question. They have been very helpful and I'm glad I did. Here's what the ACA engineer says:

"There are two options for installation of the 8.50x6 tires. The first option is to keep wheels, brakes, and axles you have - ACA drawings 7-1307 and AC-1511 (if you have aluminum gear use drawing 7-1559). The second option is to install wheels, double puck brakes, and axles used for the Scout - ACA drawing 4-2042.

Both drawings are approved for the 8KCAB. With drawing 7-1307 a logbook entry and updated weight and balance would be sufficient. If you are adding the 4-2042 wheels and brakes - you should fill out a 337 documenting installation to the approved drawing. In both instances you should have the drawing for future reference."

Jody Bradt
ACA Engineer

I would assume if the Decathlon is supported than the Citabria definitely would be. The drawing are $50/each from ACA.
-Shackle


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aftCG wrote:Here's what they look like on my Citabria
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I have a 7ECA here and the owner wants to put the Desser tires on legally. Previous mechanic put them on but no paperwork. issues with brake calipers rubing the tires. Haven't checked on the availability of the STC SA3019WE or the instructions for it. Googled and and found this thread. Any help getting these installed both correcctly and legally would be greatly appreciated.


Also, I thinking in that drawing, calls for adding a wheel/ rotor spacer for the 8.00 and 8.50 tires.
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aftCG wrote:Here's what they look like on my Citabria
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I have a 7ECA here and the owner wants to put the Desser tires on legally. Previous mechanic put them on but no paperwork. issues with brake calipers rubing the tires. Haven't checked on the availability of the STC SA3019WE or the instructions for it. Googled and and found this thread. Any help getting these installed both correcctly and legally would be greatly appreciated.


Also, I thinking in that drawing, calls for adding a wheel/ rotor spacer for the 8.00 and 8.50 tires.


Airframes Alaska sells the spacers

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Steve Pierce wrote:I have a 7ECA here and the owner wants to put the Desser tires on legally. Previous mechanic put them on but no paperwork. issues with brake calipers rubing the tires. Haven't checked on the availability of the STC SA3019WE or the instructions for it. Googled and and found this thread. Any help getting these installed both correcctly and legally would be greatly appreciated.


A guy at my airport is putting a set of 850 Dessers on his 7ECA.
I don't see them on the TCDS, but he says 850x6 4 ply tires are factory approved.
He was worried about the tires rubbing on the discs,
he called the factory & says they have an installation kit which he ordered.
So I'd say call the factory.
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mtv wrote: I'm curious as well how all these airplanes are being approved on these, or any other 8.50 x 6.00 tires. MTV


FWIW I have the North Sound Aviation STC for my C180 that approves 850x6 tires.
Unfortunately it mandates 6 ply tires--
the Desser smoothies are 4 ply so are not applicable.
Not sure if the Kenmore 850 STC, or anyone else's stc's for 850's on anything, specify ply ratings or not.
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mtv wrote: I'm curious as well how all these airplanes are being approved on these, or any other 8.50 x 6.00 tires. MTV


FWIW I have the North Sound Aviation STC for my C180 that approves 850x6 tires.
Unfortunately it mandates 6 ply tires--
the Desser smoothies are 4 ply so are not applicable.
Not sure if the Kenmore 850 STC, or anyone else's stc's for 850's on anything, specify ply ratings or not.


I was aware of the STCs for the 180/185 and the CC one for the Super Cub. I'm curious about other planes, since I frequently see these tires installed on a variety of planes.

Are there other STCs out there?

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Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.
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ajfriz wrote:Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.


Ummm, How?

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ajfriz wrote:Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.


Ummm, How?

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WWhunter wrote:Tell me about your Funk please. I know where there is one for sale and even though they are 'funky', It might make someone a good cheap flyer. You don't see them very often.


The Funk is an amazingly well balanced airplane. Not the quickest off the strip, but it makes up for it with style and great handling characteristics. Mine cruises at 105 mph on 85 hp and gets a lot more looks than my old cub. The biggest downside is your head kinda sits in the wing root.
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mtv wrote: I was aware of the STCs for the 180/185 and the CC one for the Super Cub. I'm curious about other planes, since I frequently see these tires installed on a variety of planes. Are there other STCs out there? MTV


Svenn's Aviation holds a lot of STC's for Pacers, including 850x6 tires.
I'm sure there are other, relatively unknown STC's for other airplanes out there.

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ajfriz wrote:Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.

Ummm, How? MTV


It's still possible to get a field approval--
unfortunately more possible in some places than others.
Although it took 11 months,
I finally got a FA for 26" GY's on my 180 from the Seattle FSDO about a year ago.
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mtv wrote: I was aware of the STCs for the 180/185 and the CC one for the Super Cub. I'm curious about other planes, since I frequently see these tires installed on a variety of planes. Are there other STCs out there? MTV


Svenn's Aviation holds a lot of STC's for Pacers, including 850x6 tires.
I'm sure there are other, relatively unknown STC's for other airplanes out there.

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ajfriz wrote:Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.

Ummm, How? MTV


It's still possible to get a field approval--
unfortunately more possible in some places than others.
Although it took 11 months,
I finally got a FA for 26" GY's on my 180 from the Seattle FSDO about a year ago.


I asked a simple question. Field approvals are not commonly available, and your response just verifies that.

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mtv wrote:
ajfriz wrote:Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.


Ummm, How?

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mtv wrote:
ajfriz wrote:Your results may vary, but I recently discovered it’s actually pretty easy to get tires under 26” approved on a taildragger.


Ummm, How?

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My bad, I must have messed up when trying to send a pm from my phone. Maybe a few more replies from you on a thread will prompt me to resend it, when a simple message to me saying you didn't receive it may have been a better approach.
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LOL! Thanks ajfriz, I needed a laugh.

My experience is that old mechanics don’t want to bother with field approvals and new mechanics have been told they aren’t possible. A willing mechanic that has a relationship with the FSDO can get a lot done.

There is a guy in the Luscombe community that in the past couple years has gotten several sizes of larger tires, currently on 26” GYs, and Grove hydraulic brakes approved on his airplane.
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aftCG wrote:Here's what they look like on my Citabria
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I have a 7ECA here and the owner wants to put the Desser tires on legally. Previous mechanic put them on but no paperwork. issues with brake calipers rubing the tires. Haven't checked on the availability of the STC SA3019WE or the instructions for it. Googled and and found this thread. Any help getting these installed both correcctly and legally would be greatly appreciated.


Also, I thinking in that drawing, calls for adding a wheel/ rotor spacer for the 8.00 and 8.50 tires.


Airframes Alaska sells the spacers

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I guess I haven't been to this thread in quite a while. I've read recently that these tires are in short supply and thought this thread was alive for that reasons.

You SHOULD check on the availability of STC SA3019WE because the family that owns it allows you to use it for free. Says so right in the STC:
https://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guid ... enDocument

Instructions? Mount tire.

My plane has no spacers. The tires don't rub on the calipers or anything else. The STC above accounts for 4 ply Type III tires, which is what the Desser 8.50x6 tires are. My plane has at least 300, probably 400 landings - sadly most on pavement. I run them at 12psi. They've got at least another year in them.
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There are two types of Cleveland brake rotors. One part number was made for 6.00x6, and requires a spacer between rotor and wheel to fit larger tires. The more modern ones made for 8.50x6 fit all large tires including bushwheels without a spacer. All ABI rotors are the style for larger tires.

This thread provides a great example of why companies like ACA and Maule are great - so much factory approval for various useful mods and options, including 850’s and bushwheels.
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