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Re: Garmin G5 vs Aerovonics AV-30

Just to clear up any confusion, the AV-30-C is not yet certified. We are getting very close. Aircraft Spruce and other Resellers are Pre-Ordering them and their site currently shows Certification Pending. The AV-30-E for Experimental is available and shipping.

We are working diligently with the FAA but the current events have impacted the timeline. We had hoped to have the certification completed by SnF, but we all know that story along with every other aviation event this spring/summer. We anticipate closure on the certification soon and to begin shipping early summer, so really just a few weeks or so away baring any unforeseen delays.

We do have a significant backlog of pre-orders, but like skyBeacon and tailBeacon, we can produce a lot in short order. We feel like the favored racehorse dancing in the starting gate just waiting for it to open. We do thank everyone for their patience and having flown with the AV-30 and AV-20 for the past 4 months in my plane, you'll be very pleased. We are likely as frustrated as many of you are.

AV-30 will play nice with other devices, and we're developing more for it... a Traffic Display, when connected to most ADS-B Receivers (wired/wireless), a Transponder Control, and, are working on a wireless interface module to get ADS-B data into the AV-30 and that valuable AirData (Pitot/Static) out to a tablet. We have big plans for the AV line to build a bridge from the panel to the pilot and devices in-between.

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I my defense this is what the Aircraft Spruce site is displaying, it clearly says CERTIFIED

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It will be a great product I believe
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Squawk@uAvionix wrote:Just to clear up any confusion, the AV-30-C is not yet certified. We are getting very close. Aircraft Spruce and other Resellers are Pre-Ordering them and their site currently shows Certification Pending. The AV-30-E for Experimental is available and shipping.

We are working diligently with the FAA but the current events have impacted the timeline. We had hoped to have the certification completed by SnF, but we all know that story along with every other aviation event this spring/summer. We anticipate closure on the certification soon and to begin shipping early summer, so really just a few weeks or so away baring any unforeseen delays.

We do have a significant backlog of pre-orders, but like skyBeacon and tailBeacon, we can produce a lot in short order. We feel like the favored racehorse dancing in the starting gate just waiting for it to open. We do thank everyone for their patience and having flown with the AV-30 and AV-20 for the past 4 months in my plane, you'll be very pleased. We are likely as frustrated as many of you are.

AV-30 will play nice with other devices, and we're developing more for it... a Traffic Display, when connected to most ADS-B Receivers (wired/wireless), a Transponder Control, and, are working on a wireless interface module to get ADS-B data into the AV-30 and that valuable AirData (Pitot/Static) out to a tablet. We have big plans for the AV line to build a bridge from the panel to the pilot and devices in-between.

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Thanks for the update.....always best to get information from the "Horse's mouth".....while in the starting gate.

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How did we go from $1500 to $2000 to $2953?
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C180_guy wrote:How did we go from $1500 to $2000 to $2953?


He's in Canada. It's still $2000 USD
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Mapleflt wrote:I my defense this is what the Aircraft Spruce site is displaying, it clearly says CERTIFIED

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It will be a great product I believe
We'll forgive you. But if you scroll down an inch it says certification pending. They could've been more clear for sure though.
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No public flogging required, I thank you
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I just figured it was certified in Canada. Does Canada automatically certify when we do or do they do their own thing
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qmdv wrote:I just figured it was certified in Canada. Does Canada automatically certify when we do or do they do their own thing
We have a reciprocal agreement, so usually when the FAA approves it so does TC.
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qmdv wrote:I just figured it was certified in Canada. Does Canada automatically certify when we do or do they do their own thing
We have a reciprocal agreement, so usually when the FAA approves it so does TC.


Reciprocal means it goes both ways. If they had sent the AV-30 to TC instead of the FAA and it was approved I doubt FAA would approve it. I could be wrong
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qmdv wrote:I just figured it was certified in Canada. Does Canada automatically certify when we do or do they do their own thing
We have a reciprocal agreement, so usually when the FAA approves it so does TC.


Reciprocal means it goes both ways. If they had sent the AV-30 to TC instead of the FAA and it was approved I doubt FAA would approve it. I could be wrong
The agreement depends on which country the type certificate is at. So Canada acknowledges US STCs/approvals on aircraft with US type certificates and US acknowledges Canadian STCs/approvals on aircraft with Canadian Type certificates. There is cases of Canadian STCs approved on aircraft with US type certificates, and in these cases the are only valid in Canada, not the US. Examples being Hypec fabric system, wing X on C170s.
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The price difference between the uAvionix AV-30E ($1,595) and AV-30C ($1,995) models is only $400. And that $400 difference includes the STC.

By contrast, the price difference between the Garmin G5 Experimental ($1,289) and G5 Primary AI "Certified" ($2,299) from Aircraft Spruce. That $1,010 difference also including the STC.

But if you also want the DG/HSI functionality for your certified G5, you'll have to buy a send unit, and spend still another $2,599. But of course, it also includes the STC. So to get all the "experimental" G5's capability in "certified" form, the true difference is $3,609, and a second 3 1/8" hole taken up...

Personally, I'm pretty happy the certified version of the AV-30 is less than 2 AMUs, and only 0.4 AMUs more expensive than the experimental version... The AV-30 is not a perfect product, by any means. In the experimental marketplace, it suffers in comparison to the capabiity of the sub-$2000 GRT EFIS units, both 7" and 3 1/8" form factors. But with every update uAvionix posts about this product, that gap shrinks a bit more. I suspect they will be EXTREMELY competitive with everyone before long!

And in the certified world, it offers one heck of a challenge to Garmin, Aspen, and the other "established" players in the certified market. And that's always a good thing in my view!
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JP256 wrote:The price difference between the uAvionix AV-30E ($1,595) and AV-30C ($1,995) models is only $400. And that $400 difference includes the STC.

By contrast, the price difference between the Garmin G5 Experimental ($1,289) and G5 Primary AI "Certified" ($2,299) from Aircraft Spruce. That $1,010 difference also including the STC.

But if you also want the DG/HSI functionality for your certified G5, you'll have to buy a send unit, and spend still another $2,599. But of course, it also includes the STC. So to get all the "experimental" G5's capability in "certified" form, the true difference is $3,609, and a second 3 1/8" hole taken up...

Personally, I'm pretty happy the certified version of the AV-30 is less than 2 AMUs, and only 0.4 AMUs more expensive than the experimental version... The AV-30 is not a perfect product, by any means. In the experimental marketplace, it suffers in comparison to the capabiity of the sub-$2000 GRT EFIS units, both 7" and 3 1/8" form factors. But with every update uAvionix posts about this product, that gap shrinks a bit more. I suspect they will be EXTREMELY competitive with everyone before long!

And in the certified world, it offers one heck of a challenge to Garmin, Aspen, and the other "established" players in the certified market. And that's always a good thing in my view!
You forgot that the STCd version of the G5 doesnt include the required GPS antenna. So add another $400 to the price difference between certified and exp.
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Squawk@uAvionix wrote:Just to clear up any confusion, the AV-30-C is not yet certified. We are getting very close. Aircraft Spruce and other Resellers are Pre-Ordering them and their site currently shows Certification Pending. The AV-30-E for Experimental is available and shipping.

We are working diligently with the FAA but the current events have impacted the timeline. We had hoped to have the certification completed by SnF, but we all know that story along with every other aviation event this spring/summer. We anticipate closure on the certification soon and to begin shipping early summer, so really just a few weeks or so away baring any unforeseen delays.

We do have a significant backlog of pre-orders, but like skyBeacon and tailBeacon, we can produce a lot in short order. We feel like the favored racehorse dancing in the starting gate just waiting for it to open. We do thank everyone for their patience and having flown with the AV-30 and AV-20 for the past 4 months in my plane, you'll be very pleased. We are likely as frustrated as many of you are.

AV-30 will play nice with other devices, and we're developing more for it... a Traffic Display, when connected to most ADS-B Receivers (wired/wireless), a Transponder Control, and, are working on a wireless interface module to get ADS-B data into the AV-30 and that valuable AirData (Pitot/Static) out to a tablet. We have big plans for the AV line to build a bridge from the panel to the pilot and devices in-between.

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Is the Husky A-1C going to be on your STC list right away, if not is it close to the top of the “to do” stack?

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Squawk@uAvionix wrote:Just to clear up any confusion, the AV-30-C is not yet certified. We are getting very close. Aircraft Spruce and other Resellers are Pre-Ordering them and their site currently shows Certification Pending. The AV-30-E for Experimental is available and shipping.

We are working diligently with the FAA but the current events have impacted the timeline. We had hoped to have the certification completed by SnF, but we all know that story along with every other aviation event this spring/summer. We anticipate closure on the certification soon and to begin shipping early summer, so really just a few weeks or so away baring any unforeseen delays.

We do have a significant backlog of pre-orders, but like skyBeacon and tailBeacon, we can produce a lot in short order. We feel like the favored racehorse dancing in the starting gate just waiting for it to open. We do thank everyone for their patience and having flown with the AV-30 and AV-20 for the past 4 months in my plane, you'll be very pleased. We are likely as frustrated as many of you are.

AV-30 will play nice with other devices, and we're developing more for it... a Traffic Display, when connected to most ADS-B Receivers (wired/wireless), a Transponder Control, and, are working on a wireless interface module to get ADS-B data into the AV-30 and that valuable AirData (Pitot/Static) out to a tablet. We have big plans for the AV line to build a bridge from the panel to the pilot and devices in-between.

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Is the Husky A-1C going to be on your STC list right away, if not is it close to the top of the “to do” stack?

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JP256 wrote:The price difference between the uAvionix AV-30E ($1,595) and AV-30C ($1,995) models is only $400. And that $400 difference includes the STC.

By contrast, the price difference between the Garmin G5 Experimental ($1,289) and G5 Primary AI "Certified" ($2,299) from Aircraft Spruce. That $1,010 difference also including the STC.

But if you also want the DG/HSI functionality for your certified G5, you'll have to buy a send unit, and spend still another $2,599. But of course, it also includes the STC. So to get all the "experimental" G5's capability in "certified" form, the true difference is $3,609, and a second 3 1/8" hole taken up...

And in the certified world, it offers one heck of a challenge to Garmin, Aspen, and the other "established" players in the certified market. And that's always a good thing in my view!
You forgot that the STCd version of the G5 doesnt include the required GPS antenna. So add another $400 to the price difference between certified and exp.

Antipathy towards Garmin is why a lot of folks have been eagerly awaiting the AV-30. Speaking of Aspen, they came down in price. I darn near pulled the trigger on the E5 (under $4400). I like the upgrade path they provide. I didn't buy one because I don't like the look of it sticking out the panel.
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A1Skinner wrote:You forgot that the STCd version of the G5 doesnt include the required GPS antenna. So add another $400 to the price difference between certified and exp.

Good point! I forgot about that... I punted on the Garmin stuff a while back...
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I'm sure the Garmin products tick a lot of boxes but I don't care for their propitiatory nature. If I'm crafting a custom instrument panel flexibility is what allows for creativity and a unique outcome.
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I plan on buying a pair of AV-30s for my Kitfox build. One thing about the AV-30 vs G5 is that you can select the HSI mode on the fly with the AV-30. Not so much on the G5. I think the AV-30's only real competition is the Garmin GI 275. Even more capability (like wow is it flexible, including EIS functions), but again the price point is above where I need to be.
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Here's hoping the success of the AV-30 will put some G5's on the used market. I'm looking for a second one, gotta be experimental though, none of that dumbed-down certified for me with the useless gewgaws of a battery and antenna (and STC) that the seller would want extra money for.
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