mtv wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

qmdv wrote:If you pre order the AV-30 certified now it is $ 1995.00 Still not too bad a deal.

Lots less then a G5...

Lots? $2250 for a proven, certified unit available now. Or, an unproven unit that MAY be certified sometime.....

MTV

Less but not lots less. I will not buy either as my vacuum system still works pretty well. When it comes time to spend money on it I will be more serious. Thinking in a year it should be proven. Not liking to looks of a square block among round holes

qmdv wrote:

mtv wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

qmdv wrote:If you pre order the AV-30 certified now it is $ 1995.00 Still not too bad a deal.

Lots less then a G5...

Lots? $2250 for a proven, certified unit available now. Or, an unproven unit that MAY be certified sometime.....

MTV

Less but not lots less. I will not buy either as my vacuum system still works pretty well. When it comes time to spend money on it I will be more serious. Thinking in a year it should be proven. Not liking to looks of a square block among round holes

The G5 itself is $2250, but for the certified system you also have to have a WAAS antenna hooked to it. So add another $3-400 plus installing said antenna. So it's not quite just a $250 difference. I bet by the time it's all installed it's over $1000. Unless you already have a fancy WAAS gossip that you can run the info from. But then a few hundy probably won't matter anyways! For me, $1000, easier install, and more capability is all worth it. YMMV.

Lots? $2250 for a proven, certified unit available now. Or, an unproven unit that MAY be certified sometime.....

MTV[/quote]

Less but not lots less. I will not buy either as my vacuum system still works pretty well. When it comes time to spend money on it I will be more serious. Thinking in a year it should be proven. Not liking to looks of a square block among round holes[/quote]The G5 itself is $2250, but for the certified system you also have to have a WAAS antenna hooked to it. So add another $3-400 plus installing said antenna. So it's not quite just a $250 difference. I bet by the time it's all installed it's over $1000. Unless you already have a fancy WAAS gossip that you can run the info from. But then a few hundy probably won't matter anyways! For me, $1000, easier install, and more capability is all worth it. YMMV.[/quote]

Can’t fairly compare installation against a unit not counting installation. And, wouldn’t it be logical that this new unit will also require a WAAS GPS?

MTV

mtv wrote:Lots? $2250 for a proven, certified unit available now. Or, an unproven unit that MAY be certified sometime.....

MTV

Less but not lots less. I will not buy either as my vacuum system still works pretty well. When it comes time to spend money on it I will be more serious. Thinking in a year it should be proven. Not liking to looks of a square block among round holes[/quote]The G5 itself is $2250, but for the certified system you also have to have a WAAS antenna hooked to it. So add another $3-400 plus installing said antenna. So it's not quite just a $250 difference. I bet by the time it's all installed it's over $1000. Unless you already have a fancy WAAS gossip that you can run the info from. But then a few hundy probably won't matter anyways! For me, $1000, easier install, and more capability is all worth it. YMMV.[/quote]

Can’t fairly compare installation against a unit not counting installation. And, wouldn’t it be logical that this new unit will also require a WAAS GPS?

MTV[/quote]Not really. Why does a artificial horizon need a WAAS signal? Theres not reason for it really. The vac one its replacing sure didnt have WAAS...

Can’t fairly compare installation against a unit not counting installation. And, wouldn’t it be logical that this new unit will also require a WAAS GPS?

MTV[/quote]Not really. Why does a artificial horizon need a WAAS signal? Theres not reason for it really. The vac one its replacing sure didnt have WAAS...[/quote]

I was under the understanding that the Aerotronics unit, like the G-5, is actually a PFD, not just an attitude instrument. If all you want is an attitude instrument there are likely cheaper alternatives. Maybe.

Edit: Check out this review:

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... to-cockpit
These units are indeed Primary Flight Displays, which means they’re going to need position information to achieve max. Functionality. Same as G-5.
MTV

At the end of the day, even though they may he called a PFD, they can only replace a artificial horizon or a DG, or both if you buy 2. So far there is no other electric replacement that is cheaper and provides the functionality in the certified world. There is the RCA 2600, but it's actually more expensive, and is simply an electric artificial horozon. RCA also has an electric DG replacement that runs great without a GPS antenna as well.
Read the FAQ about the magnetometer on this page Mike, and they clearly state that no GPS antenna is required. That will make install easier. When I spoke with Jeff before Uavionics bought them out, they planned to keep it that way. There is an option to hook it up to a handheld or panel mount as well. With the G5 you are stuck to a panel mount for certified, no handhelds.
The G5 is nice, but there is nicer cheaper options out there, and this definitely seems like a good one. Just hope they can keep the cost down for everything they are offering.

A1Skinner wrote:At the end of the day, even though they may he called a PFD, they can only replace a artificial horizon or a DG, or both if you buy 2. So far there is no other electric replacement that is cheaper and provides the functionality in the certified world. There is the RCA 2600, but it's actually more expensive, and is simply an electric artificial horozon. RCA also has an electric DG replacement that runs great without a GPS antenna as well.
Read the FAQ about the magnetometer on this page Mike, and they clearly state that no GPS antenna is required. That will make install easier. When I spoke with Jeff before Uavionics bought them out, they planned to keep it that way. There is an option to hook it up to a handheld or panel mount as well. With the G5 you are stuck to a panel mount for certified, no handhelds.
The G5 is nice, but there is nicer cheaper options out there, and this definitely seems like a good one. Just hope they can keep the cost down for everything they are offering.

Again, you're comparing a non certificated device to a certificated device. The Aerovonics unit is advertised as a Primary Flight Display. With all the requisite bells and whistles. Sure, in an EX plane, you can get away with hooking it up to a portable GPS. Do you seriously think the FAA is going to buy that for certification? I don't. And, what you USE it for has nothing to do with what it CAN do, when it comes to certification.

In other words, I'm betting that, once certified, it'll also require a certified WAAS enabled GPS.

Your statement: "The G5 is nice, but there is nicer cheaper options out there" may be true, but are they certificated, in other words, can we legally install them in a certified airplane......and yes, I'm aware that some folks have got away with installing non certified units in certified aircraft, but that doesn't happen hereabouts.

So, I'm curious and serious. What are those "nicer, cheaper options"?

MTV

mtv wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:At the end of the day, even though they may he called a PFD, they can only replace a artificial horizon or a DG, or both if you buy 2. So far there is no other electric replacement that is cheaper and provides the functionality in the certified world. There is the RCA 2600, but it's actually more expensive, and is simply an electric artificial horozon. RCA also has an electric DG replacement that runs great without a GPS antenna as well.
Read the FAQ about the magnetometer on this page Mike, and they clearly state that no GPS antenna is required. That will make install easier. When I spoke with Jeff before Uavionics bought them out, they planned to keep it that way. There is an option to hook it up to a handheld or panel mount as well. With the G5 you are stuck to a panel mount for certified, no handhelds.
The G5 is nice, but there is nicer cheaper options out there, and this definitely seems like a good one. Just hope they can keep the cost down for everything they are offering.

Again, you're comparing a non certificated device to a certificated device. The Aerovonics unit is advertised as a Primary Flight Display. With all the requisite bells and whistles. Sure, in an EX plane, you can get away with hooking it up to a portable GPS. Do you seriously think the FAA is going to buy that for certification? I don't. And, what you USE it for has nothing to do with what it CAN do, when it comes to certification.

In other words, I'm betting that, once certified, it'll also require a certified WAAS enabled GPS.

Your statement: "The G5 is nice, but there is nicer cheaper options out there" may be true, but are they certificated, in other words, can we legally install them in a certified airplane......and yes, I'm aware that some folks have got away with installing non certified units in certified aircraft, but that doesn't happen hereabouts.

So, I'm curious and serious. What are those "nicer, cheaper options"?

MTV

Well, the FAA allows handhelds to be hooked up to certified autopilot, and that actually steers the plane unlike a replacement AI. When I spoke withJefg I made sure to ask about the certified version needing an antenna and he said no. So unless he was lying, then this will be a nicer cheaper unit.
But when they come out we'll know for sure. For now its all hear say.

mtv wrote:… Again, you're comparing a non certificated device to a certificated device. The Aerovonics unit is advertised as a Primary Flight Display. With all the requisite bells and whistles. Sure, in an EX plane, you can get away with hooking it up to a portable GPS. Do you seriously think the FAA is going to buy that for certification? I don't. And, what you USE it for has nothing to do with what it CAN do, when it comes to certification. In other words, I'm betting that, once certified, it'll also require a certified WAAS enabled GPS. ….

The uAvionix Skybeacon & Tailbeacon both incorporate WAAS GPS.
I wouldn't be surprised if the certified version of the Aerovonics PFD's will also incorporate it.
If not, uAvionix sells a GPS antenna / receiver for about $500,
and if you buy their original ADS-B (the "echo), it's only an extra $400.

https://uavionix.com/product/skyfyx/

I fly with two G5's. I choose the garmin units as I wanted to remove the vacuum system and make use of the Garmin Autopilot. May I suggest that anyone considering this combination will find that it is a real winner. Flying old plane with new panel is just a wonderful combination. The autopilot is fantastic. Panel automation is wonderful. Photos are posted in my general area.

Lv2fly wrote:I fly with two G5's. I choose the garmin units as I wanted to remove the vacuum system and make use of the Garmin Autopilot. May I suggest that anyone considering this combination will find that it is a real winner. Flying old plane with new panel is just a wonderful combination. The autopilot is fantastic. Panel automation is wonderful. Photos are posted in my general area.

Lets see the rest of that panel! Looks sharp...

I agree with you Lv2Fly, "Flying old plane with new panel is just a wonderful combination"

I suspect both the V-30 and the G5 work well however I'm trying very hard to retain the "old plane" look as well. I get my fill of magenta on the job so for that reason I went with the V-30. In addition it's not proprietary and will play nice in the sandbox with other kids, even Garmin

Wow, so nice looking. Not likely to be an eyesore on the panel in 10 years

I just discovered that the AV-30 is now fully certified

Excellent! I've had one on pre-order since last fall, can't wait to replace by AI!

Fantastic!

Mapleflt wrote:I just discovered that the AV-30 is now fully certified

What's the final price on those?
Seems like uAvionix announced a bump when they took over Aerovonics.

Stinson 108s, V77s, and SR9 were just added to the AML for the AV-30 and AV-20.

hotrod180 wrote:What's the final price on those?
Seems like uAvionix announced a bump when they took over Aerovonics.

More than a bump. I still don't understand the difference between the so-called "experimental" and the $500 more "certified".

C180_guy wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:What's the final price on those?
Seems like uAvionix announced a bump when they took over Aerovonics.

More than a bump. I still don't understand the difference between the so-called "experimental" and the $500 more "certified".

I guess all the work they did to get it certified should be given away for free? Do you work for free?