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Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:54 pm

help identify these brakes please

would like to know what brand these are, just because my paperwork says they are X I want to verify that they are X
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:16 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Looks exactly like my Cleveland brakes installed with kit 199-62. Go to the Airframes Alaska web site and look up the Cleveland 199-62 Wheel and Brake kit and you will see the same thing.
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:55 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

awesome thanks again for the reply.

now I need a STC for 8.50's ...... correct :?: :?: :?:

would really like the goodyear blimp 26's
will they fit without rubbing or would I need a spacer of some sorts?
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:01 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

doc_dyer wrote:
now I need a STC for 8.50's ...... correct :?: :?: :?:



http://www.fadodge.com/images/pdf_files/FAA_8.50_tire_on_cessna_aircraft.pdf
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:37 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

No spacers required for 26" goodyears on a 180 with double puck clevelands.
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:43 pm

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BeeMan wrote:Looks exactly like my Cleveland brakes installed with kit 199-62. Go to the Airframes Alaska web site and look up the Cleveland 199-62 Wheel and Brake kit and you will see the same thing.


That's a kit number that includes wheels, discs, and calipers. The brake calipers themselves have a unique part number, and look like many other distinct part numbers from the Cleveland lineup, though only one combo comprises a 199-62. The 6 bolt wheel kit is the 199-62A. The discs are 3/8" thick, whereas there are a few other kits with different thickness discs.

Just FYI. Lots of parts with minor distinctions.
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:09 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Probably need to qualify the statement regarding 26" Goodyear Blimp tires fitting. They fit with about 1/8"-3/16" clearence when inflated to 17psi or more. If you try to airdown to low flotation presures, the calipers sharp edges are known to gouge the sidewall. You can purchase 1/8" spacers from Stoddard's Airparts- Merrill Field-PAMR. The spacers move the rotor away from the rim and tire. You will also need longer through bolts. Some smoothing of sharp corners on the caliper can eliminate serious tire damage. (A Flap wheel on a die grinder is your friend) Otherwise, they do make a good combo tire for both on and off airport ops and wear like iron.- just my 2cents and experience.
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:55 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Cleveland 30-52N calipers
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Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:33 am

Re: help identify these brakes please

Prosaria wrote:
doc_dyer wrote:
now I need a STC for 8.50's ...... correct :?: :?: :?:



http://www.fadodge.com/images/pdf_files/FAA_8.50_tire_on_cessna_aircraft.pdf



I'm confused on the second paragraph that states 8.50 x 6, 4 ply tires on the ORIGINAL WHEELS of Cessna 180 series.

since it appears that I have double puck Clevelands, therefore not the original wheels...
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Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:54 am

Re: help identify these brakes please

I agree those are Cleveland calipers, but it doesn't look like a 30-52N to me.
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Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:58 am

Re: help identify these brakes please

doc_dyer wrote:
Prosaria wrote:
doc_dyer wrote:now I need a STC for 8.50's ...... correct :?: :?: :?:

http://www.fadodge.com/images/pdf_files/FAA_8.50_tire_on_cessna_aircraft.pdf



I'm confused on the second paragraph that states 8.50 x 6, 4 ply tires on the ORIGINAL WHEELS of Cessna 180 series. since it appears that I have double puck Clevelands, therefore not the original wheels...



That same paragraph also specifies 850x6 4 PLY tires.
So, a strike out on both counts.
That said, a lot of people (including some IA's and inspectors) would call 850x6 6 plies on Cleveland wheels close enough for government work.
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:27 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Anyone know what model Cleveland’s these are? I’d like to put them on my ‘58 182 but Airframes Alaska said they didn’t know if these were 30-52N or not which is what the Dodge STC covers. I guess there’s a 30-52 without the “N”. ?? I got them from the mechanic who worked on my plane I bought in LA in June. They were rebuilt in 2016.

There’s no “hump” between the two round sections. Seems to be the main difference from other double pucks I’ve seen.

Also, I also need the torque plates. Any sources for those other than AA at $250/ea?
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:51 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Is there a part number on them? Obviously not if you are asking. In that case, as long as they fit, they look like 30-52N's to me. 8) 8) 8)
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:47 am

Re: help identify these brakes please

akschu wrote:Is there a part number on them? Obviously not if you are asking. In that case, as long as they fit, they look like 30-52N's to me. 8) 8) 8)


And, if you want to get technical, if they don’t have part numbers, are they even legal on a certificated aircraft, regardless?

I know the FAA has a bad case of the red ass over data tags on seat belts......

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Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:37 am

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BirdyinBOI wrote:Anyone know what model Cleveland’s these are?

There’s no “hump” between the two round sections. Seems to be the main difference from other double pucks I’ve seen.


My 30-52’s don’t have the hump and look just like yours.


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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:00 am

Re: help identify these brakes please

Highly recommend fitting the calipers to the front of gear leg.
On many landings especially xwind the tyre is squashed in board at the bottom thus against the caliper.
If caliper is at rear, it's corner and bleed nipple can easily grab the tyre, however if on the front the rotating tyre can smoothly slide by without tripping up the plane. You also get more braking traction when on the front.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:55 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Those are not 30-52N, they look like 30-52 without the suffix, the pins the caliper float on are a different part number, I believe shorter than those used with the 30-52N. If you are using them with the Kenmore 8.50 tire STC they are not the specified part number which is 30-52N. the 30-52N also uses a different torque plate than the 30-52. I have the same problem with the calipers that came with my 180 project. Just for what it is worth some model year 180/185 had 30-52 calipers installed from the factory, they were assigned a Cessna part number but in the parts manual the Cleveland part number is in parenthesis.

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Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:15 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

The brakes in question are in fact Cleveland part# 30-52N.

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Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:11 pm

Re: help identify these brakes please

Haven't seen any in a while but they kinda look like McCauley's.
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Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:20 pm

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I don't think they are McCauley's as they have the bumps behind each piston and in general look completely different than what BridyinBOI posted. Since what he posted were rebuilt in 2016 it is hard to determine there vintage I believe that the current 30-52N Cleveland's (within the last year or so) still have the hump between the two pistons. I have had a couple of sets of factory installed Cleveland's off 180's that did not have the hump. Do to the vintage of the airplanes I believed that they are 30-52. According to my Cessna parts manual serial number 185-0654 thru 1851336 and 18051313 thru 18051907 used 30-52, after that they used 30-52D for 6.00 tires and 30-52N for 8.00 tires until Cessna started using McCauley wheels and brakes.

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