I looked on Barnstomers and found a $110k Maule MXT-7-180A sn 21084C for sale.

TCDS 3A23 reveals two approved Lycoming engines: O-360-C1F or O-360-C4F, and
two approved propellers: Sensenich fixed pitch 76EM8S5-0-56 or 76EM8S8-0-56, both 76 inches diameter with No reduction permitted.

"Up" is a nice option, and "Up quicker" requires more horsepower and/or a different prop.

No mention of a Lycoming O-390-series anywhere in TCDS 3A23, and a search of STC's was similarly unrevealing. So likely a field-approval, tho there may be an STC in process, or perhaps Maule themselves are working on certificating same.

Which leaves the propeller: Recommend ensuring a CS prop can be retrofitted per the STC, or via an approved Maule process/drawing/kit/etc.

Have fun!

iPat wrote:I looked on Barnstomers and found a $110k Maule MXT-7-180A sn 21084C for sale.

TCDS 3A23 reveals two approved Lycoming engines: O-360-C1F or O-360-C4F, and
two approved propellers: Sensenich fixed pitch 76EM8S5-0-56 or 76EM8S8-0-56, both 76 inches diameter with No reduction permitted.

"Up" is a nice option, and "Up quicker" requires more horsepower and/or a different prop.

No mention of a Lycoming O-390-series anywhere in TCDS 3A23, and a search of STC's was similarly unrevealing. So likely a field-approval, tho there may be an STC in process, or perhaps Maule themselves are working on certificating same.

Which leaves the propeller: Recommend ensuring a CS prop can be retrofitted per the STC, or via an approved Maule process/drawing/kit/etc.

Have fun!

Yes, that's the one I'm talking to the seller about. I have second dibs on it. Hoping he gives me the go ahead to come out and look at it.
I've also looked at the TCDS, and am puzzled by why he claims it had been originally built as an MTX7-180C, not an "A" as it is now. I asked him for scans of any 337's that were in his logs, and he asked what 337's are. Puzzling. He was told by his IA at his first annual that it had previously been a constant speed model. I see no extra hole in the panel that had been plugged over. Who knows. If it's in the condition it appears to be in from the photos, and the logs are good, I'll buy it if the other guy doesn't.

As far as O-390, just a dream, I'd be happy with this aircraft as is. But, my thought is, after looking at the STC's Lycoming has for the 390, it appears they are adding a lot of airframes originally equipped with O360's and O320's. There are not as many Maules out there, especially O360 Maules, so it's probably not on the top of the list to add. If I have the money at overhaul time, I'd probably try for a field approval and see where it goes. But again, I'd be happy with the aircraft as is.

D.

Mapleflt wrote:This today on Bstormers,

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... 4-210.html

Called, sounds like a possibility for me. The price is right. Major damage in the 1980's, no log or records of repair apparently. I will do a records search, see if there are 337's for it. The engine was installed in the 1980's, so a 40 year old engine, 40 year old fabric. Doesn't mean it won't give me years of flying, and certainly worth a closer look.

I'm still partial to the MTX7-180 for 110K, or something like it.

If you did pursue the damaged, missing log airplane I would do a very thorough pre buy done by a Maule expert.

Kurt

G44 wrote:If you did pursue the damaged, missing log airplane I would do a very thorough pre buy done by a Maule expert.

Kurt

Yes. Very thorough. I'm leaning more towards spending more on something with less history. I've had old stuff most of my life, sure it works, sure I can fix it, but available time dictates that I just don't have time for everything I own to be a restoration project. I'd like something that I can fly, and mostly just have maintenance and repairs to do, not stuff like fabric jobs, or replacing corroded tubing.

DavidB. wrote:

G44 wrote:If you did pursue the damaged, missing log airplane I would do a very thorough pre buy done by a Maule expert.

Kurt

Yes. Very thorough. I'm leaning more towards spending more on something with less history. I've had old stuff most of my life, sure it works, sure I can fix it, but available time dictates that I just don't have time for everything I own to be a restoration project. I'd like something that I can fly, and mostly just have maintenance and repairs to do, not stuff like fabric jobs, or replacing corroded tubing.

Excellent train of thought! Sometimes the cheapest is actually the most expensive in both money and lost time of enjoyment.

Kurt

DavidB, the Maule MX7-180 A is fixed pitch with O360 C4F engine. MX7-180 is constant speed with O360 C1F.
The MX7-180C is constant speed and wide aluminum gear. The MX7-180AC is fixed pitch with wide aluminum gear.
All these from 1993 onward have the 32'11" universal wing.
An MX7-180 prior to 1993 would be c1f engine, constant speed and 30'10" wingspan with squared wingtips, not the droop tips of M5 andM4.
There is also the M5-180, constant speed prop, oleo gear, 30'10" wing squared tip.
Any of the MX with T in designation ie MXT7-180 is a trigear.
Maule built many models to suit most everyone.
There were also six M5 200hp constant speed taildraggers and ten M5-210TC with TO360 turbocharged 210hp taildragger which was the faster of them all except the 420shp Allison in the M7.

I fly a Maule MX7-180C in Western Washington and it is my 4th plane. My first was a Grumman AA5 Traveler, the second was a Pitts S2A, the 3rd was a 182 with the Texas Skyways O550 engine and now the Maule. I've enjoyed the heck out of each plane I've owned, but the Maule is my overall favorite. It isn't the best at anything, but it does so many things well. It's cheap to own and operate (7.5 gal/hr fuel burn at 21" manifold pressure and 2250 RPM), replacement parts are cheap by aircraft standards, it hauls a bunch and the double barn doors make it easy to get bicycles and camping gear in and out. If you can buy a Maule, it'll give you lots of smiles with your diverse range of missions. That said, so will other planes. What will frustrate you endlessly is beautiful weather with places to go and no plane to enjoy...

Good luck with your search. Fly the heck out of whatever you get and you'll be happy.

Flyhound wrote:I fly a Maule MX7-180C in Western Washington and it is my 4th plane. My first was a Grumman AA5 Traveler, the second was a Pitts S2A, the 3rd was a 182 with the Texas Skyways O550 engine and now the Maule. I've enjoyed the heck out of each plane I've owned, but the Maule is my overall favorite. It isn't the best at anything, but it does so many things well. It's cheap to own and operate (7.5 gal/hr fuel burn at 21" manifold pressure and 2250 RPM), replacement parts are cheap by aircraft standards, it hauls a bunch and the double barn doors make it easy to get bicycles and camping gear in and out. If you can buy a Maule, it'll give you lots of smiles with your diverse range of missions. That said, so will other planes. What will frustrate you endlessly is beautiful weather with places to go and no plane to enjoy...

Good luck with your search. Fly the heck out of whatever you get and you'll be happy.

Your MX7-180C is exactly what I have wanted for a while and am kicking myself for not buying one that came up at the beginning the pandemic because we had some uncertainty and decided to hold onto our cash. Now I'm finding insurance quotes about double what they were a year ago on the same aircraft, thus settling for the nose dragger version.
I'd probably still buy a conventional gear one and just factor the high premium on insuring it into the cost of flying, and hope it goes down in a year or two.

D.

DavidB. wrote:

iPat wrote:I looked on Barnstomers and found a $110k Maule MXT-7-180A sn 21084C for sale.

TCDS 3A23 reveals two approved Lycoming engines: O-360-C1F or O-360-C4F, and
two approved propellers: Sensenich fixed pitch 76EM8S5-0-56 or 76EM8S8-0-56, both 76 inches diameter with No reduction permitted.

"Up" is a nice option, and "Up quicker" requires more horsepower and/or a different prop.

No mention of a Lycoming O-390-series anywhere in TCDS 3A23, and a search of STC's was similarly unrevealing. So likely a field-approval, tho there may be an STC in process, or perhaps Maule themselves are working on certificating same.

Which leaves the propeller: Recommend ensuring a CS prop can be retrofitted per the STC, or via an approved Maule process/drawing/kit/etc.

Have fun!

Yes, that's the one I'm talking to the seller about. I have second dibs on it. Hoping he gives me the go ahead to come out and look at it.
I've also looked at the TCDS, and am puzzled by why he claims it had been originally built as an MTX7-180C, not an "A" as it is now. I asked him for scans of any 337's that were in his logs, and he asked what 337's are. Puzzling. He was told by his IA at his first annual that it had previously been a constant speed model. I see no extra hole in the panel that had been plugged over. Who knows. If it's in the condition it appears to be in from the photos, and the logs are good, I'll buy it if the other guy doesn't.

As far as O-390, just a dream, I'd be happy with this aircraft as is. But, my thought is, after looking at the STC's Lycoming has for the 390, it appears they are adding a lot of airframes originally equipped with O360's and O320's. There are not as many Maules out there, especially O360 Maules, so it's probably not on the top of the list to add. If I have the money at overhaul time, I'd probably try for a field approval and see where it goes. But again, I'd be happy with the aircraft as is.

D.

As Jeremy pointed out earlier (and he is THE Maule Expert), Maule has built a model for almost everyone except someone who wants to operate in the flight levels. As to a 390, it would seem to me to be pointless to go through the hassle and expense of trying to install one of these engines in a Maule, since there are a bunch of 235 Maules out there, as well as 260 hp Maules. All those airplanes are equipped with the Lycoming 540 series engines. Only down side is that those engines MAY be a bit heavier than the IO-390, but those big engines are just loafing at those horsepower ratings. So, rather than even consider trying to get an engine approved by field approval, I'd start out looking for a 235 Maule if you really feel like you need the additional power.

MTV

Bstormer posting, 0-360 style,

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... -210C.html

Mapleflt wrote:Bstormer posting, 0-360 style,

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... -210C.html

Dave,
I would look at this one.
No mention of prop TT but sounds like new.
I would ask for fotos of work on tubing before cover.
Ask who built the engine.

I might have a need to drive to Fairbanks today. You should have my number.

Rocket

Yo Dave,
Posting this so it goes to you, do notifications work on the ol' BCP?

Gotta love some round tail Maule.

Was going to write the other day that you will know when it's the right one, just keep filling up those coffe cans with a little more cash every month so you are ready. The real deals go in a day so you can't sashay in the saddle as they say.

I sold the Batplane to a young motivated kid cause I couldn't fly with my moose crushed foot, still not ready to get my medical back, and hate to see her rotting away in the trees here in Talk on the village strip. I basically gave it away hoping this young man makes the most of her.

Of course now I'm thinking little spam can, a Lá early C150, I know I know, don't laugh. But not being able to burn blue gas is killing me and knowing the old 182 I wanted I can't get in or out of and might not ever be able to push around on the ramp with a foot full of 21 pieces of titanium.

It's been a rough year...

Keep it real,

Rocket

Mapleflt wrote:Bstormer posting, 0-360 style,

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... -210C.html

No Manifold Pressure instrument, no fuel gauges that I can see and it looks like a fuel pressure instrument is being used for oil pressure, with no limit markings.

Or maybe I missed something.

If they'll kinda not bother with that required equipment....what else did they skip in the rebuild?

MTV

mtv wrote:

Mapleflt wrote:Bstormer posting, 0-360 style,

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... -210C.html

No Manifold Pressure instrument, no fuel gauges that I can see and it looks like a fuel pressure instrument is being used for oil pressure, with no limit markings.

Or maybe I missed something.

If they'll kinda not bother with that required equipment....what else did they skip in the rebuild?

MTV

I think you missed the CGR-30

rocket wrote:

Mapleflt wrote:Bstormer posting, 0-360 style,

https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... -210C.html

Dave,
I would look at this one.
No mention of prop TT but sounds like new.
I would ask for fotos of work on tubing before cover.
Ask who built the engine.

I might have a need to drive to Fairbanks today. You should have my number.

Rocket

That thing looks sweet. Good find.

rocket wrote:Of course now I'm thinking little spam can, a Lá early C150, I know I know, don't laugh. But not being able to burn blue gas is killing me and knowing the old 182 I wanted I can't get in or out of and might not ever be able to push around on the ramp with a foot full of 21 pieces of titanium.

Rocket

Rocket,
Just a thought... My RANS S-6ES (Rotax 912 ULS 100 HP) weighs less than 750 lbs empty, it is super-easy to move around on 8:00x6 tires. Even when I had a separated shoulder, I could easily move the plane by myself. The "stock" RANS gear might be marginal for some of the "rough" areas in Alaska, but Roberts makes a cub-type gear for the plane that people rave over.
The S-6 takes off and lands in <300 ft (calm wind, gross wt), climbs WAY better than a C-150 (1000+ fpm) , has very similar cruise speed to the C-150, and carries a LOT more useful load. And because there were a bunch of them built, there are a reasonable number of them on the used market, and the RANS factory still supports them with parts.
In your situation, I'd give the RANS S-6 (side-by-side) or S-7 (tandem) a look... It might be the difference that would make flying "do-able" again with your new "hardware collection."

Rocket,
Great talk yesterday, I'm glad we got a chance to catch up!

Everyone else,

I've talked to this guy when he was selling it a year ago, before fabric. It needed a lot more than fabric, and had spent 3 winters tied down in Anchorage, outside, not being flown, and another winter in Bellingham WA, also outside, not being flown.

A '57 182A with 300 hours on the engine, 0 on the prop, just came up on BS well under budget, and a 20 minute flight from home. I haven't been searching for 182's in particular, but this one is local and priced right. If it checks out, I'll buy it. If I find something else later, it'll be easy to re-sell.

Go for it!


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Dave,
You won’t be disappointed with the 182, specialy the early light ones with manual flaps
The new tail AD does apply so figure that into the price as you haggle.
Shit, we talked about so many things old times and new that I never talked about my 182B, like the one you are looking at 300 hours on the engine and zero time prop. I put an 8:50 on the nose, it had the big fork already, 10x10 wheels, double pucks, and 8:50x10 mains. Weren’t many places she couldn’t go.
One year I was telling the Kings how many hours I had flown her that year, John puts his head up thinking, looks at me and says, you know you payed for more blue gas this year then you payed for the 182...
Borrowed her to a buddy couple years later and he smoked her :/
Funny cause I had an engine failure in his E model couple years later then won the power line lottery, walked away, mostly. Guess we are even...
Anyway I’ve got the nose strut and fork out in Naknek collecting dust if it hasn’t walked, think SN will transfer the STC for a small fee. Be nice to just see it on a bird.
Look at aleron CW rivets, flap tracks were skinny on the early ones, cables around the bottom aft door post but mostly the flap cable that goes forward and around that small pulls-this is the number one cable failure point on all the manual flap spam cans.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Oh ya, look under the seat tracks, IB track IB, lot of potato chips and beach sand sit in there and get the ol galvanic going.
Battery box area too...

Rocket