The black bear in the above video needs to be converted to a rug mount hanging on a cabin wall.
Toward the end, you can see that the guy with the camera has a rock in his other hand. I kept thinking as the bear followed them, why don’t they pick up a rock and wing the bugger?
I agree with Hammer....if that had been one human, he’d likely have been converted to bear scat.
I do NOT trust black bears. Brown bears are pretty predictable....grumpy and don’t take disturbance gracefully. But black bears can be sneaky little (and sometimes not so little) bastards.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:53 pm
Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:16 am
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Yes, I agree. My old memory tells me that we discussed this here or on another site. The black bears seem more unpredictable. Multiple times I’ve winged one in the ribs with a healthy sized rock only to find them circling back on a client or his gear (with poorly packed lunch within, no doubt) from another direction. They can be sneaky, often are persistent and always are potentially dangerous.
I’ve not sprayed a black bear (or griz!) with pepper spray, though, and wonder if that would be enough to convince them to stay away from humans in the future.
Sadly, shooting seems inevitable for some of these bears. Like Hammer discussed, the environment isn’t as interesting without apex predators. I, for one, am grateful for the humbling moments of keenly knowing that I’m not necessarily top dog in an area. Keeps me grounded and thankful for my good fortunes.
I’ve not sprayed a black bear (or griz!) with pepper spray, though, and wonder if that would be enough to convince them to stay away from humans in the future.
Sadly, shooting seems inevitable for some of these bears. Like Hammer discussed, the environment isn’t as interesting without apex predators. I, for one, am grateful for the humbling moments of keenly knowing that I’m not necessarily top dog in an area. Keeps me grounded and thankful for my good fortunes.
mtv wrote:The black bear in the above video needs to be converted to a rug mount hanging on a cabin wall.
Toward the end, you can see that the guy with the camera has a rock in his other hand. I kept thinking as the bear followed them, why don’t they pick up a rock and wing the bugger?
I agree with Hammer....if that had been one human, he’d likely have been converted to bear scat.
I do NOT trust black bears. Brown bears are pretty predictable....grumpy and don’t take disturbance gracefully. But black bears can be sneaky little (and sometimes not so little) bastards.
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:29 am
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Timbuk2 wrote:...I’ve not sprayed a black bear (or griz!) with pepper spray, though, and wonder if that would be enough to convince them to stay away from humans in the future...
Here's an interesting and surprisingly intelligent article on bear spray, pros and cons, written in response to some high profile fatalities where bear spray didn't work against black bears.
https://craigmedred.news/2017/06/29/bea ... yes-or-no/
I've sprayed dozens of dogs with pepper spray while working patrol, and the reaction is not what you'd expect. It tends to stop aggressive behavior, but it doesn't generally seem to cause any significant discomfort. It looked to me like the pepper spray just dulled their sense of smell to the point they couldn't function well...sort of like putting blinders on a horse.
Carrying ground pepper as a defense against bears has been practiced in the Himalaya region for untold years...centuries perhaps. I've had a couple encounters with Himalayan Black Bears and they are very intimidating...much more like small grizzlies or huge pit bulls than North American Black Bears, and attacks on people are not unknown. The locals have a very healthy respect for the animals and don't treat their presence flippantly.
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:57 pm
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I've worked in the woods in the PNW and other western states for years. While I've seldom heard of predation attacks by grizzlies, nor have the several biologists I worked with mention many, their consistent advice was if a black bear is interested in dinner we would be a welcome main course. Details about theYukon grizzly attack on the woman and her infant that I've read in the Alaska Daily News expand a bit on initial reports I found elsewhere. ADN suggested this particular bear hung around the cabin long after he killed the two people. Then attacked the woman's partner. That's a new twist that seems to contradict years of advice from the bear bios. Though I've read of more than one account of mama grizzlies who tracked intruders who were near her cubs and repeatedly attacked them. But this bear's aggressive behavior seems different. If anyone has more details I'd sure like to read about 'em. FWIW, it seems like multiple defensive tools (bear spray to big bore pistols) would be a warranted where and when we're able & willing to practice using 'em and then carry them.
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:27 pm
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PapernScissors wrote:I've worked in the woods in the PNW and other western states for years. While I've seldom heard of predation attacks by grizzlies, nor have the several biologists I worked with mention many, their consistent advice was if a black bear is interested in dinner we would be a welcome main course. Details about theYukon grizzly attack on the woman and her infant that I've read in the Alaska Daily News expand a bit on initial reports I found elsewhere. ADN suggested this particular bear hung around the cabin long after he killed the two people. Then attacked the woman's partner. That's a new twist that seems to contradict years of advice from the bear bios. Though I've read of more than one account of mama grizzlies who tracked intruders who were near her cubs and repeatedly attacked them. But this bear's aggressive behavior seems different. If anyone has more details I'd sure like to read about 'em. FWIW, it seems like multiple defensive tools (bear spray to big bore pistols) would be a warranted where and when we're able & willing to practice using 'em and then carry them.
My GUESS would be the bear attacked the man when he arrived, protecting it's prey.
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:37 am
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mtv wrote:/quote]
My GUESS would be the bear attacked the man when he arrived, protecting it's prey.
MTV
That would be my GUESS as well. We have had a few such situations up here in the past few years. They don't like to abandon their kill. And that usually leads to their being killed as well.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:11 am
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Hammer said:
How about this one then?
A Cowboy sitting in a saloon one Saturday night, he recognized an elderly man standing at the bar who, in his day, had the reputation of being the fastest gun in the West.The young cowboy took a place next to the old-timer, bought him a drink and told him the story of his great ambition. ‘Do you think you could give me some tips?’ he asked.
The old man looked him up and down and said, ‘Well, for one thing, you’re wearing your gun too high. Tie the holster a little lower down on your leg.’‘
Will that make me a better gunfighter?’ asked the young man.
‘Sure will,’ replied the old-timer.
The young man did as he was told, stood up, whipped out his 44 and shot the bow tie off the piano player. ‘That’s terrific!’ said the hot shot.. ‘Got any more tips for me?’
‘Yep,’ said the old man. ‘Cut a notch out of your holster where the hammer hits it. That’ll give you a smoother draw’
‘Will that make me a better gunfighter?’ asked the young man.
‘You bet it will, ‘ said the old-timer.The young man took out his knife, cut the notch, stood up, drew his gun in a blur, and then shot a cufflink off the piano player. ‘Wow!’ exclaimed the cowboy ‘I’m learnin’ somethin’ here. Got any more tips?’
The old man pointed to a large can in a corner. ‘See that axle grease over there? Coat your gun with it.’The young man went over to the can and smeared some of the grease on the barrel of his gun.‘No,’ said the old-timer, ‘I mean smear it all over the gun, handle and all.
’‘Will that make me a better gunfighter?’ asked the young man.
‘No,’ said the old-timer, ‘but when Wyatt Earp gets done playing the piano, he’s gonna shove that gun up your ass, and it won’t hurt near as much.
Groan...
Just once I'd like to get through a conversation regarding firearms where that fossil of a joke, or the one about a slow friend, or the one about the .22 short to shoot your friend in the knee, or the one about...well I guess it's too late anyway.
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How about this one then?
A Cowboy sitting in a saloon one Saturday night, he recognized an elderly man standing at the bar who, in his day, had the reputation of being the fastest gun in the West.The young cowboy took a place next to the old-timer, bought him a drink and told him the story of his great ambition. ‘Do you think you could give me some tips?’ he asked.
The old man looked him up and down and said, ‘Well, for one thing, you’re wearing your gun too high. Tie the holster a little lower down on your leg.’‘
Will that make me a better gunfighter?’ asked the young man.
‘Sure will,’ replied the old-timer.
The young man did as he was told, stood up, whipped out his 44 and shot the bow tie off the piano player. ‘That’s terrific!’ said the hot shot.. ‘Got any more tips for me?’
‘Yep,’ said the old man. ‘Cut a notch out of your holster where the hammer hits it. That’ll give you a smoother draw’
‘Will that make me a better gunfighter?’ asked the young man.
‘You bet it will, ‘ said the old-timer.The young man took out his knife, cut the notch, stood up, drew his gun in a blur, and then shot a cufflink off the piano player. ‘Wow!’ exclaimed the cowboy ‘I’m learnin’ somethin’ here. Got any more tips?’
The old man pointed to a large can in a corner. ‘See that axle grease over there? Coat your gun with it.’The young man went over to the can and smeared some of the grease on the barrel of his gun.‘No,’ said the old-timer, ‘I mean smear it all over the gun, handle and all.
’‘Will that make me a better gunfighter?’ asked the young man.
‘No,’ said the old-timer, ‘but when Wyatt Earp gets done playing the piano, he’s gonna shove that gun up your ass, and it won’t hurt near as much.
tcj
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:42 am
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Whee-
You have opened up a thread that will likely have no end with this crowd but of course that is half the fun. I conceal carry a S&W M&P Shield 2.0, in 9mm, love it, but that is not what you asked.
The gun you decide to have and use is the one you need to keep with you and shoot often. Lot's of guys have told me they would not carry anything less than than a .50 BMG when in the field (slight sarcasm), and then when I ask them... "where is your gun"? They respond, "it is to damn heavy to carry in my pack or on my hip"! Ha!
I live in Montana so we have different concerns than others may have but I usually have my Glock .40 S&W. Seems to be a good trade off w/ power and weight. Glock's are not necessarily the most romantic, but when I reach for it I know it will go bang when it matters most.
Be Safe and Shoot Often!
You have opened up a thread that will likely have no end with this crowd but of course that is half the fun. I conceal carry a S&W M&P Shield 2.0, in 9mm, love it, but that is not what you asked.
The gun you decide to have and use is the one you need to keep with you and shoot often. Lot's of guys have told me they would not carry anything less than than a .50 BMG when in the field (slight sarcasm), and then when I ask them... "where is your gun"? They respond, "it is to damn heavy to carry in my pack or on my hip"! Ha!
I live in Montana so we have different concerns than others may have but I usually have my Glock .40 S&W. Seems to be a good trade off w/ power and weight. Glock's are not necessarily the most romantic, but when I reach for it I know it will go bang when it matters most.
Be Safe and Shoot Often!
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:50 pm
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I shot a half-dozen elk today with 30-06 snap-caps. I like to hike with a rifle, and I dry-fire on assorted ungulates and stumps while I hike. Of course I had my Glock 10mm for backup, since you never know what a elk or moose or stump will do when you don't shoot them. 
Obviously, I don't have a single relevant thing to add to this thread; I'm just hoping it'll bump that rotting corpse of a ground-looping thread into obscurity. Pretty amazing that a conversation about handgun calibers maintained more focus and civility than a thread on...well...anything else.
Obviously, I don't have a single relevant thing to add to this thread; I'm just hoping it'll bump that rotting corpse of a ground-looping thread into obscurity. Pretty amazing that a conversation about handgun calibers maintained more focus and civility than a thread on...well...anything else.
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:00 pm
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I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:22 pm
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Gathered all the pistols I could and untimely decided the Springfield XDM fit my hand the best. Actually I still prefer the Colt Python and it is just so fun to shoot but it’s just not what I’m looking for in a woods gun. The Glocks were incredibly uncomfortable to hold and hurt to shoot. They just didn’t fit my hand at all. I was pretty bummed that the XDM fit the best because it wasn’t offered in 10mm which is what I decided I wanted. I spent a couple months debating calibers with myself and in the mean time Springfield released a 10mm XDM.
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:58 pm
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Bagarre wrote:I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
'Cause it doesn't chip your nail polish when you draw it out of your purse?
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:20 am
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Hammer wrote:Bagarre wrote:I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
'Cause it doesn't chip your nail polish when you draw it out of your purse?
Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:05 am
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Um, I don't think you can call it a man bag when it's made by Prada...?
Whee, if you get that Springfield 10mm send me a PM... I can save you a lot of wasted money on ammo by telling you what's worth buying and what isn't.
Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:50 am
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Bagarre wrote:I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
I own both. When you need a gun, right now,
the 380 in your pocket is definitely better than the 9mm locked in your gunsafe.
"The first rule of gunfighting is to bring a gun".
FWIW I am saving up to buy a manbag.
Carhartt is supposed to be coming out with one this spring.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:57 am
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hotrod180 wrote:Bagarre wrote:I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
I own both. When you need a gun, right now,
the 380 in your pocket is definitely better than the 9mm locked in your gunsafe.
"The first rule of gunfighting is to bring a gun".
FWIW I am saving up to buy a manbag.
Carhartt is supposed to be coming out with one this spring.
Living in the Washington DC suburbs suburbs (Northern Virginia) deep concealment is much preferred.
Lots of people around here wont hesitate to create a scene if they see a gun or think you're carrying - permit or not.
So, something small enough to never print and hits harder than my right hook is ideal. I think of it like a pocket knife with a 10 foot blade.
I grabbed a Ruger LCP2 and stuck a laser sight on it. The laser is pretty much there to scare the piss out of a suburban bad guy and possibly save me from wasting a round.
The thing is dainty but shoots well enough for a two finger grip.
Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:17 pm
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Bagarre wrote:I grabbed a Ruger LCP2 and stuck a laser sight on it. The laser is pretty much there to scare the piss out of a suburban bad guy and possibly save me from wasting a round.
The thing is dainty but shoots well enough for a two finger grip.
My wife has an LCR in .357 mag and we put a laser grip on it. It’s a pretty cool pistol.
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:33 pm
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Bagarre wrote:I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
The cartridge that started World War I.
Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:31 pm
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CamTom12 wrote:Bagarre wrote:I grabbed a Ruger LCP2 and stuck a laser sight on it. The laser is pretty much there to scare the piss out of a suburban bad guy and possibly save me from wasting a round.
The thing is dainty but shoots well enough for a two finger grip.
My wife has an LCR in .357 mag and we put a laser grip on it. It’s a pretty cool pistol.
I have a Taurus 605 that I used to carry which is .357. Packs a wallop for sure.
Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:44 pm
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akaviator wrote:Bagarre wrote:I just bought a new .380
If it makes you feel better, we could fight over why it's better than the 9mm.
The cartridge that started World War I.
Well, at least it was good for something...
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