Mapleflt wrote:Well Ladies & Gentlemen we seem to have finally managed to drag BCP to the level of the various site we've all come to BCP to avoid, can we now return to our regularly scheduled programming..........PLEASE

Are you kidding? I feel like we're still having fun.

I think we have it too good and we've fogotten how to argue, like my wife's family. Or, it could be we have too many Canadians in the mix.

Gotta uncork it now and then in the crazy of the dark winter, and if our worst offenses are using the word "bullshit"and seeing barnstormer have a live stroke then we're doing fine. This is nothing compared to other sites. I'm proud!

Zzz wrote:I'm proud!

And you should be!

Oh...and...CLEAR!

Zzz wrote:

if our worst offenses are using the word "bullshit" .... I'm proud!

You'll be happy to know that I have apologized to Hammer for my offensive remarks and he has graciously accepted my humble explanation. We are now engaged in virtual fist bumping and shouting "Slainte" as we clink our imaginary glencairns. At Hammer's suggestion, I have purchased a quill pen which I use to write my rough drafts on a piece of vellum, obtained by ground looping my taildragger into a pasture full of calves, which forces me to think before I write. There, I worked in some backcountry pilot talk.....

Back to the original question.... no one has mentioned tipping up on the nose, although it seems that is about as popular of a passtime as groundlooping.

Hmmm. I've taught a few pilots how to fly, but in 172s--'cause I'm a lousy taildragger pilot, and I know it. But I haven't ground looped anything--I've seen it happen, though, and two of those were trikes! I was also told when I first started flying retracts that there were those who have and those who will and those who will again, but I've never landed gear up. Came close once, when there was a mechanical issue, not my doing. But otherwise, I said bullshit to that OWT, too, which I guess means that I agree with A1Skinner. I've also had people tell me that "if you fly long enough, you'll die in an airplane crash". My Daddy died in an airplane crash, and I've had several friends die in airplane crashes, but so far I haven't, and I don't plan on it. Lots of OWTs get spouted by the supercilious, but that doesn't make them true.

Cary

Ah, that's much better says the "proud" CANADIAN

It must be time to post this.

Hammer wrote:I think the real question here is: which flap setting should be used for ground-loops?

Other good topics are: How much snow can you ground-loop in with bushwheels, and: Ground-looping while water skiing...is it just a stunt or a valuable backcountry skill?

Of course, the preferred footwear for ground-looping is always of interest, as is what should be in your survival vest when ground-looping (personally I'd never ground-loop without a good fixed blade knife).

Is a 9mm good enough for ground-looping, or do you need a magnum revolver to ground-loop safely?

And once the ground-loop is complete, what's the best method for tying the airplane down during a big blow?

So many questions, so many opinions, so little bandwidth.

Seriously though...those are some pretty good questions.

What about “How do I hydroplaning the wheels?” [emoji38]

Aryana wrote:You can rest assured I would never allow a stranger start howling at me in public. Those kinds of pilots are a special breed indeed.

If this thread was a conversation between folks in real life, there would be only one loudmouth sharing his unsolicited criticism which would cause others to walk away and scatter.

Zane has a good post on this phenomenon which some folks are oblivious to. They don’t have the benefit of watching people walk away from them in a room and they lack the ability to pick up on the social cues of others in the written format.

Interesting take on the thread, but not my take. Not by a long shot.

Of course, when people walk away from me when I'm educating them, I just follow so they don't miss out on any of my pearls o' wisdom.

YMMV

Next up: Is it worth the extra money to ground-loop in a Cessna, or should you just buy a Maule?

Or does a Cessna ground loop better with Wing X?

But I only want to hear from you if you have personal experience.

daedaluscan wrote:Or does a Cessna ground loop better with Wing X?

But I only want to hear from you if you have personal experience.

"This family tree is a stump."

Ah, heck I'll bite. Almost every taildragger I've flown designed to be a taildragger has nuances but they're generally controllable on the ground. Pilot training and proficiency is the key.

That said I have some time in a late model 172 converted into a 172-taildragger. It just didn't have enough rudder, the mod also raised the floor under the pedals, and the angle at which the control cables attach to the t/w bellcrank is too steep, making it easy to damage. Very difficult to land in anything over 5-6kt crosswind. I never ground looped it, but very close. Be wary of tailwheel conversions. They can be okay but only if the mod is designed right, the airplane was originally designed as a taildragger and/or the airplane has a nice big rudder.

StuBob wrote:If you’ve never cut a ureter, you haven’t done enough surgery. Just another viewpoint.

How bout "if you've never lost one on the table....".

whee wrote:….What about “How do I hydroplaning the wheels?” [emoji38]

A perennial favorite!

Hammer wrote: I think the real question here is: which flap setting should be used for ground-loops? ....:

Lots of unasked questions left:
is it best to groundloop out of a wheel landing or a three-pointer?
Does mogas make an airplane more prone to groundloop?
And does Mystery Oil make it less so?

This thread sure is entertaining!! Heck, it was -33 when I got up a few hours ago so nothing better to do than browse BCP!! Hell of a morning I tell you...Hell of a morning!! LMAO!!

I heard from somebody that planes with Wing-X don’t ground loop. Sure wish I had Wing-X

jeez last I looked at this thread Contact mentioned Call-airs which got me hot and off on another track. There's one here (maybe A-2 didn't check; http://ronkilber.tripod.com/callair/callair.htm) that's come for sale off and on so I went to see how much winter snow it could carry. Lots it appeared. Then looked up the Clark Y wing it has, read on that airfoil (similar to Cub), and then read about them restarting the Interstate line which mutated into an Arctic Tern, and then forgot why I was even here.

Oh yea the worst near ground super looper I had was in a C-170 ragwing with POS tail spring cables and springs. Shook like a dog passing worms.

Gary

crap ...I'm running out of doritos...

I'm putting a placard in my 170 that prohibits ground loops to solve this problem once and for all.

Besides, only people that slip with flaps ground loop airplanes.

Probably the DC-3

Gary,
That A model design was just reconfigured a bit to make the A-4 and A-5 crop duster. They took the right seat out and installed a hopper there. The single pilot just had a small canopy.
The A-9 looked like a Pawnee but retained the ribs in all control surfaces that made it fly like it had hydraulic assist.
Rockwell put flaperons on the A-9A and called it the Sparrow. The A-9 had no flaps.
I flew the A5, A9, and A9A. All were the absolute best flying airplanes I ever flew.
Jim

The CallAir is N2904V model A-3. Yellow of course. It's sat here for years and I was told a gold miner once owned it and flew to a gold mine near Manley Hot Springs in Alaska. I was also told it would haul loads well...as miners are known to carry things needed to work the ground.

It's a beauty. Didn't look like it had been ground looped much.

Gary